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Can someone let me know best choice of chip to enhance power on an RT?
Associate of mine severely dissapointed with lack of performance of the 365. Pulling comparable with 300 hp other green tractor. This lemon has IVT which I suspect drains a portion of the power.
Fuel economy is non existent so won't be hard for any improvement to be made there either. And two things. Don't suggest working it out with dealer as that was a waste of time. And don't mention on board telemetry as I don't believe they have a clue what performance is actually going on or they would have made some sort of approach from knowing how bad it performs.
So Steinbaurer or just go sub a $1000 with run it or chip express? And yes I do want chicken salt with my chips.
 

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Love the Aussie references, is it under warranty and running jd link. I just don't know how much info JD can get once hooked to the JD cloud. I have a 8360R with 3500hrs and it pulls as good as my old 9380 case once the r series is weighed up. Hope you sort it out.
 

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Haha some people get all bent out of shape with bad language. But if it were me I would go stienbauer we have one on each of our semi's and plan on putting one on our 385 quad. They really did a great job on the trucks
 

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Tell your associate to reach into his deep pockets and go the steinbauer. The repeated comments on here of very happy customers seems a good enough reason. Wouldn't mind one on the Iveco but can't get the nod of approval.
And I wouldn't worry about JD telemetry. It's only a freeby for 12 months and then you have to pay for it. I doubt many ozzy farmers would waste money on that. I think more than half the workshop managers over here don't even know how to use it anyway. The first year with our S690 proved that.
Lastly just check out the smoker class of tractor pullers. You have 8400 engines punching out almost 1000hp and they still keep going. I doubt a chip will ever harm your RT. screw up the HP and then get a bigger plough.:D:D
 

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Pto dyno came back 25 hp less than stated in sales literature. Dealer response on that was to go through codes. And guess what.. No improvement. Trial of aftermarket $500 chip made it pull like an 18 yr old at the drive in.
 

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Pto dyno came back 25 hp less than stated in sales literature. Dealer response on that was to go through codes. And guess what.. No improvement. Trial of aftermarket $500 chip made it pull like an 18 yr old at the drive in.

What tractor are you comparing it to?

In the olden days when tractors had mechanical pumps most of them were "lively". The "lively" tractor then gets traded on a emission controlled tractor that is bang on the money and it feels gutless which is the fault of the emission controls, or something,when all that has happened is you bought 300 horses and got 301 horses. Where before, you bought 250 horses and got 320.

You are 25 horses light, get on to the manufacturer and tell them to supply all of the horses you paid for.

A friend of mine has just retired from a long career calibrating gasoline engines for a large auto builder. I asked him about chipping and performance and economy gains. He said, "yes, go ahead if you want to waste your money. Do you think we haven't tested every new chip and widget that claims to give more power or save fuel? They don't or we would fit them."
 

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If dyno test shows peak power at around 340hp to the pto at around 1800 engine rpm then tractor is most likley healthy. If you're showing much less then that, check all turbo plumbing for possible boost leak. We have seen on many occassions where the flange mating two ridged pipes together has cracked causing a leak and 20hp power loss.

If dyno shows healthy tractor, consider software tuning. Chips are an option but they all introduce unmetered fuel to the engine. Unmetered fuel might not bother most people but it will cause incorrect fuel consumption data in the command center. It will also prevent IVT transmission from correctly calculating the sweet spot between performance and economy. There are many benefits to software tuning your particular tractor. No devices to install, no wiring, just power done the way the oem makes power. Afterall the best chip for your tractor is the one already there - the ECU. Our hand held programmer option allows you to choose from 3 tunes depending on your power needs of the day. Programming is done through the diagnostic port.

First, make sure your tractor is healthy. If it's not making 305hp to the PTO AT 2100rpm and 340ish at 1800rpm, there's a problem. Any unsolved issues will cause you bigger headaches down the road, especially with a chip.
 

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If dyno test shows peak power at around 340hp to the pto at around 1800 engine rpm then tractor is most likley healthy. If you're showing much less then that, check all turbo plumbing for possible boost leak. We have seen on many occassions where the flange mating two ridged pipes together has cracked causing a leak and 20hp power loss.

If dyno shows healthy tractor, consider software tuning. Chips are an option but they all introduce unmetered fuel to the engine. Unmetered fuel might not bother most people but it will cause incorrect fuel consumption data in the command center. It will also prevent IVT transmission from correctly calculating the sweet spot between performance and economy. There are many benefits to software tuning your particular tractor. No devices to install, no wiring, just power done the way the oem makes power. Afterall the best chip for your tractor is the one already there - the ECU. Our hand held programmer option allows you to choose from 3 tunes depending on your power needs of the day. Programming is done through the diagnostic port.

First, make sure your tractor is healthy. If it's not making 305hp to the PTO AT 2100rpm and 340ish at 1800rpm, there's a problem. Any unsolved issues will cause you bigger headaches down the road, especially with a chip.
eko how does your hand held tuner work , we have a 6210r series wheeled tractor ,don't know what your numbers of it will be in the us , ours is developing its power on a dyno but seems very flat and lacks torque at lower end especialy when on vaderstadd drill , and we have a 8370 rt coming next june , is there any thing to do to them not worried about extra power just want the torque back ,like in the old ones old 7810 would pulla house down pity they could not not have the old 8 litre engine like my old 78 or 8520 , people talk of remapping to improve things , what it really wants is all this egr and particulate filters taking of and then they can breathe fresh air again
 

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The hand-held programmer stores multiple software updates including the original factory tune. It plugs into the diagnostic port of the tractor and uploads the desired software into the ECU. When we ship the programmer, it arrives empty because we prefer to custom tune each tractor individually. This means an easy two part process:

1) When tool arrives, you plug the tool into the tractor and perform a "reading". This step will download the fuel maps and tables into the programmer as a small file and allows you to email the file to our software lab along with your instructions for custom tuning.

2) When we receive the file, we will customize it to your specs and email it back to you. Now you simply connect the tool back to the vehicle and choose the "writing" option. In the case of multiple Ekotunes, you will choose which tune to upload.

Why custom tune each machine instead of a generic tune for all machines of similar make and model ? Most modern Ag machines have a certain amount of individual tuning or calibration done right from the factory, especially injector calibration codes. Also, depending on factory option for that particular tractor, the fuel maps are customized for those options. We prefer to customize the exact software your tractor came with to keep any individual characteristics intact.

I suspect your 6210R will be the same power output as North American models seeing as your country uses Euro 4 emissions similar to our Tier 4.
You can view a 6210R dyno chart here showing both stock power, and stage1 Ekotune power.

http://www.voimaa.com/html5uploader/files/JD-6210R-238hp.pdf

As you can see, the stock torque is quite respectable. It will lug down to 1600rpm before falling on it's face. 99% of our tunes will have the same torque shape as stock but with higher numbers. For special applications we sometimes flatten the torque curve, or in the case of newer CNH machines, we extend torque rise buy 200rpm because some tractors tend to fall off at 1700 rpm.

With respect to emission systems, you are correct but it's a double edged sword. On one hand, we enjoy learning and developing solutions for all problems but also desire to play according to local rules and regulations. We have developed EGR solutions for Tier3 machines as well as Adblue solutions for Tier4a CNH machines for the export market as well as a few Canadian provinces where off-road emissions are not regulated once the end-user takes delivery. I'm very suspicious of anyone who claims to have full Tier4B emission solutions since no after market tooling for reading and writing to those ECU is yet available.

Without question, the 8.1 JD engine is a puller. We're hoping to develop a common rail pulling tractor using the 8.1 as our power plant. The 6.8 is also a robust engine. In case you're interested, here is our pet project. This tractor is a 6920 (badged 7520 in north america) making 740hp to the PTO. "Witni" has pulled two seasons with no major breakdowns. It's amazing how well the driveline has held up.

The purpose of developing huge horsepower tunes is not for marketing this type of tuning to farmers but rather the R&D value. It's amazing how much we learn each season, not only about the fuel systems but any design weakneses will come to light very quickly. It's also a lot of fun!

Since you have fond memories of your 7810, here is a winning pull by a 7710 custom tuned for a customer with an appetite for risk, This tractor is equipped with IVT and making 300+hp to the PTO

Finally, with regards to your newly purchased 8370RT, time will tell how well they will respond to tuning. Tooling is not available for the brand new ECU in those machines. One thing is certain. We have been optimizing diesel engines for 10 years, with AG being our main focus with over 1000 happy customers. For the doubting Thomas' out there, I invite you to demo our service.




eko how does your hand held tuner work , we have a 6210r series wheeled tractor ,don't know what your numbers of it will be in the us , ours is developing its power on a dyno but seems very flat and lacks torque at lower end especialy when on vaderstadd drill , and we have a 8370 rt coming next june , is there any thing to do to them not worried about extra power just want the torque back ,like in the old ones old 7810 would pulla house down pity they could not not have the old 8 litre engine like my old 78 or 8520 , people talk of remapping to improve things , what it really wants is all this egr and particulate filters taking of and then they can breathe fresh air again
 
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