We have some carry over canola that we probably should have watched more carefully. Started hauling it out and it seams fine but we never looked at since we put it in the bin 16 months ago. I just heard a story today of a guy who lost a bin of carry over canola after moving it. Anyone hear of someone wrecking a bin by not getting the hot canola out soon enough.
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It seems to happen regularly where I am from, hasn't happened to me yet but we raise corn so I treat it similar, it is one of them crops you can't fall in love with ( by saying that I mean store for long periods of time) much fussier than say wheat
We seldom keep it long enough to celebrate its 1st birthday and have not had any trouble to speak of. But after listening to others talk I am realizing we may be lucky. I am kind of wondering what happens when an unsupervised bin of heating canola is left to run its course? Does it end up destroying the galvinizef coating on the bin wall? Does it turn into a solid that the bin needs to be disassembled to remove the contents?
There have been a few bins around here over the last 10 years that had the canola go so far that it turned into a brick. After poking at the canola for a while, they finally just dug a big hole beside it, buried the whole thing and put up a new bin.
Our goal is to move as much grain as possible by the end of March. Just don't want issues as the grain warms up. If you really don't like the price available, you can always buy it back on paper and keep playing the markets.
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Our goal is to move as much grain as possible by the end of March. Just don't want issues as the grain warms up. If you really don't like the price available, you can always buy it back on paper and keep playing the markets.
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We have store canola up to 3 years without turning it. If it goes into the bin dry the key is getting it cooled off, keeping it cool, and colling it one last time before it warms up in the spring. Canola is one of the hardest crops to aerate because the air does not flow through it well. To many aeration and bin systems are set up for failure when it comes to canola.
Yikes, this is what I was afraid of. One of the people I talked with recently is a land lord whose tenant has heating canola in a couple of this land lord's bins. It must be too far gone to get out as the tenant is not doing anything to remove it.
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I had a couple bins of frozen stuff heat a few years ago you can tell pretty quick by looking at the bin theres brown oil running out from between the bin sheets, if its frosty there is no frost on the roof. It will rust the bins and is very difficult to get out ours were flat bottom bins and the outside 2' all the way around the bin didn't heat but the centre stood straight up. we used our bin sweep and spades and ground away at it till we got it out. Needless to say now we have opi cables and check them often.
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yeah cant believe how often I hear this story- no sympathy whatsoever... some guys think that since its in the bin- its may as well be in the bank... for what it takes too set up a auger and roll a few bushels outta a few bins, its unbelievable how often guys get burnt...
didn't one of the big tubs @ louie Dreyfuss in Yorkton heat a few years ago? guys in there with jackhammers ?
didn't one of the big tubs @ louie Dreyfuss in Yorkton heat a few years ago? guys in there with jackhammers ?
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Canola is a funny thing. It can heat at 8% moisture, and store well at 12. The key is temperature.
I have never lost a whole bin, but I have lost grade on the top few hundred bushels where the moisture goes when it heats up. This was canola at 9 per cent moisture which had been combined less than ten days. For that reason I DO have sympathy, because it can happen SO FAST!!! I have also had it "set" in the bin, but still be cold, yet hard to make flow, yet it never had heat damage. So it can act weird that way too.
Milligan in Foam Lake pays fairly well for heated stuff, relative to other places by a long shot. At least now, if you do "lose" a bit, so long as it goes through an auger, they will take it, and pay you for it.
Three years ago, I had to chip part of a bin out with a steel rod and spades, but it had little heat damage. It was just weird.
I hear about bins heating up every year. I have no aeration, and have had few issues. I just try to combine it at 8% or less, and if I have the choice, I combine something else on hot days. I also do not have massive bins, and I out the canola in the smaller bins, which lessens the insulating factor of the grain, allowing it to cool naturally quite well.
This year I heard of a first: Rusty grain beetles in canola. I had not heard of that before...
I have never lost a whole bin, but I have lost grade on the top few hundred bushels where the moisture goes when it heats up. This was canola at 9 per cent moisture which had been combined less than ten days. For that reason I DO have sympathy, because it can happen SO FAST!!! I have also had it "set" in the bin, but still be cold, yet hard to make flow, yet it never had heat damage. So it can act weird that way too.
Milligan in Foam Lake pays fairly well for heated stuff, relative to other places by a long shot. At least now, if you do "lose" a bit, so long as it goes through an auger, they will take it, and pay you for it.
Three years ago, I had to chip part of a bin out with a steel rod and spades, but it had little heat damage. It was just weird.
I hear about bins heating up every year. I have no aeration, and have had few issues. I just try to combine it at 8% or less, and if I have the choice, I combine something else on hot days. I also do not have massive bins, and I out the canola in the smaller bins, which lessens the insulating factor of the grain, allowing it to cool naturally quite well.
This year I heard of a first: Rusty grain beetles in canola. I had not heard of that before...
Happens every year at one elev or another. But from what I have seen is moving/turning bins and checking crushed samples is the best monitor I have seen. Should be done about once a month more if suspicious.
When elevators lose a bin they recoup eventually through future price/basis but when farmers lose a bin it is gone forever.
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Excellent point!
I agree, canola will surprise you when it decides to heat and when it doesn't. One bad memory of mine.... started filling a truck with canola out of a new bin in the winter, 2 minutes later all the snow started to melt off the tube of the auger! It got so hot you couldn't hold your hand on it. Was lucky in that case, only 15% damage on first load. Friend of mine had some heat to 50% in November this year. Quick way to tell if there is problems, is during the first frosts of the year take a look at the roof of the bin, no frost = problems. I still climb up the bins and have OPI on the larger ones.
The last day we could combine this year we pulled canola off at over 16% moisture, but cold. We left some in a b-train for a couple of weeks while the outside temperature dropped to very cold (seems to me it was like -20*C). It was fine but 1 bin full got pretty warm and after only 2 weeks it was starting to smell with the seed temperature up at about 30 degrees. We got it out and blended off with enough dry that the elevator would accept it.
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good comments. for sure temperature is super important as well as the size and height of the bin. more pressure = more potential heating. Another variable not brought up here yet is oil content. THe higher the oil content the more likely to heat. definitely have to be active in managing storage of canola. not sure there is any totally safe situation. We had some spoilage/heating in a large bin due to an undetected roof leak. The canola was dry and cooled via aeration but a column of spoilage developed under the leak and began to heat and work its way out. fortunately we stopped most the damage but had to vacuum around the spoilage to keep the good stuff good.
good comments. for sure temperature is super important as well as the size and height of the bin. more pressure = more potential heating. Another variable not brought up here yet is oil content. THe higher the oil content the more likely to heat. definitely have to be active in managing storage of canola. not sure there is any totally safe situation. We had some spoilage/heating in a large bin due to an undetected roof leak. The canola was dry and cooled via aeration but a column of spoilage developed under the leak and began to heat and work its way out. fortunately we stopped most the damage but had to vacuum around the spoilage to keep the good stuff good.
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This is why canola finds it way into our smaller bins. Most of our larger bins have grain air core tubes to help with air flow and they definitely work well. Have never had a problem but most of the time our canola comes off well under 8% moisture. If any comes off around 10% or higher it goes straight to an aeration bin.
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