[jd 63]

suggestion please

 

[Andrew_D]

Can't help you on the JD cart. We had a 1900 for a few years and didn't have problems with it bridging.

Had issues this year with our BG6550 for the first time. Roughly first 40ac of oats is thin to non-existent. Haven't had problems with this cart before either!

Andrew

 

[Jake676]

suggestion please

JD63, I had that same issue, we were seeding 1/2 rate out of 2 tanks, when we switched to just seeding full rate out of 1 tank it seemed to help keep it from bridging (oats was moving faster?). just don't forget when 1 tank runs out, you need to turn the clutch on for the other tank....it was a TBT 1910 430bu....and using the big roller/meter ..I think it was green?


Agitator on high speed

 

[w-mFarms]

variety seems to be the culprit sometimes
since we switched to summit it solved our problem I had this problem in 2012, I couldn't understand it, my blockage monitor showed something but when I checked I found some oats.
should've been more paronoid back than I would've checked further back and seen the problem, live and learn.
I know of some guys with the jd tanks here get their seed clipped or something.

 

[megrizzly]

Oats bridging in a 1910 is mostly caused by dusty oats. We've also had it bridge above the meter after filling and moving long distances. If your running into bridging problems, shut your feeds off and pull your meter to clean it. Also try to run it right out and clean around the agitators.

 

[Olescool]

Make sure your primary hoses from tank to bar heads are the same length. Could be pressure differences. There is a top shoot/bottom shoot rail in the manifold remove the thin rail it can bridge there.
Seed through the top manifold
Put agitators on slow.
Modify agitators to be fingers or a M shape instead of U shape.
Could try and run a set of extra pressuriser hoses from Manifold up to top of tank with a water tank fitting. This will pressurise the tank better and force it through. It is possible you will need a tap in there to decrease it later.

 

[BrianTee]

Admit that John Deere builds horrible tanks and trade?

 

[Mitch-7]

A mate got a new 1910 this year and had the same issues.
We had a few issues with our Morris, I dropped the fan speed back a fair bit and that solved the problem as there wasn't as much air pushing up into the tank. Didn't have any issues pushing oats and fert (DAP) out through the hose either after dropping fan speed as oats are only lite.

 

[Andrew_D]

Could try and run a set of extra pressuriser hoses from Manifold up to top of tank with a water tank fitting. This will pressurise the tank better and force it through. It is possible you will need a tap in there to decrease it later.

I'm confused... How would that help? The tank is already the same pressure as the manifold. More hoses aren't going to increase the tank pressure.

The only way that would work is if the current hose going to the tank is blocked partially/completely and is letting in less volume of air than the oats going out through the meter.

Andrew

 

[Ozzie]

Admit that John Deere builds horrible tanks and trade?

Yeh, but you get stuff all as a trade.
My landlord got me to sow oats on his hobby paddock. Ungraded oats but clean header sample. Bridged so hard it broke the agitator drive.
Never again!

 

[Olescool]

I'm confused... How would that help? The tank is already the same pressure as the manifold. More hoses aren't going to increase the tank pressure.

The only way that would work is if the current hose going to the tank is blocked partially/completely and is letting in less volume of air than the oats going out through the meter.

Andrew

You may be right. But if the others get a block there is an extra line. Unfortunately the gauges are a bit unreliable and you sometimes don't know of you have a block or restriction. You don't want to have to check these hoses every run. I've done this on a couple and fixed the issue.

 

[chance2]

Had a Bourgault 5350 air tank bridging with summit oats last year. This year I loaded the air tank so the spout was loading to the opposite side as the auger draws from. You could not fill the tank right up, ( but close to full ) and no problem. If you load the cart tank pretty much center, the oats seeds orient themselves to slide down the pile as it forms. They lock together under the weight of the pile and can not crumble and fall into the meter. Kind of like a harvestore silo to try to unload. By loading the oats all to one side, the seeds are all oriented pointing down to the metering auger and crumble apart much easier to keep the meter full. I learned this watching a semi trailer of oats unload. One hopper loaded dead center over the hopper bottom and the other loaded toward the front of the hopper so the pile was sloped toward the start of the hopper bottom opening. Feeding a small transfer auger, the hopper loaded in the center would bridge for the first 20 to 30 bushels until enough of the hopper had unloaded to allow the pile to shift and re-orient it's direction.

It is a bit of a poor explanation, but so far this year, we have been bridge free and seeding oats is stress free.

 

[stockton]

Had a Bourgault 5350 air tank bridging with summit oats last year. This year I loaded the air tank so the spout was loading to the opposite side as the auger draws from. You could not fill the tank right up, ( but close to full ) and no problem. If you load the cart tank pretty much center, the oats seeds orient themselves to slide down the pile as it forms. They lock together under the weight of the pile and can not crumble and fall into the meter. Kind of like a harvestore silo to try to unload. By loading the oats all to one side, the seeds are all oriented pointing down to the metering auger and crumble apart much easier to keep the meter full. I learned this watching a semi trailer of oats unload. One hopper loaded dead center over the hopper bottom and the other loaded toward the front of the hopper so the pile was sloped toward the start of the hopper bottom opening. Feeding a small transfer auger, the hopper loaded in the center would bridge for the first 20 to 30 bushels until enough of the hopper had unloaded to allow the pile to shift and re-orient it's direction.

It is a bit of a poor explanation, but so far this year, we have been bridge free and seeding oats is stress free.

I understand what your saying Chance2, but in this case, I have had the same problem at times with the JD tank and it is caused by dust in the seed. Some seed lots just have more dust in them. In low humidity it is especially worse as the plastic tank gets a bit of static cling to it, causing the dust to collect on or near the sides of the tank when loading. Then when a clump of dust gets just above the meter, it bridges.

JD 63- Here is the best answers I got....
-Load with your spout STRAIGHT DOWN as to reduce the chance of more lighter material collecting on one side of the tank.
-Agitator on high speed
-If you have a blockage monitor and dual chute, run the starter blend down with the nitrogen instead of with the seed, so if you do have a block, it can instantly detect it.
-And most importantly, although its a pain in the ass, make sure you run you oat seed tank every time before you refill.

 

[SW-Vic]

A clean sample, like really clean and lower fan speed should help.

 

[Don Boles]

Admit that John Deere builds horrible tanks and trade?

I was going to suggest don't seed oats but I doubt either of our answers are what he is looking for.

Can static electricity aggravate this bridging?
Sort of an oat/plastic affinity?
Are the oats treated? Not sure that would make it better or worse though.

 

[Andrew_D]

Our oats were treated. Also were Summits.

We had them in the large, rear compartment on the BG6550. Ended up emptying out the tank and only putting in 40ac worth. Everything was OK.

In going with the assumption that there was too much weight over the metering auger, we then loaded only over the top of the rear slope - just 1 pile instead of filling the compartment. This would be the same idea that chance2 mentions above...

Andrew

 

[farmeromus]

We have seeded lots of oats over many years. We have a seed hawk tank and last year went over 410 ac to bump up on run on a 8 run sectional because only seeded 1/3 rate. We had some issues again this year but i think we have it figured out- when we treat our seed, if it gets required amount(200 bus/jug) we seem to have trouble and if the treatment gets heavy- almost for sure we are having trouble. Once we back off on the treatment everything flows perfect. We used to seed 1/3 out of on tank and 2/3 out of another but now its all out of one then switch to other tank . At least you have a chance to catch problem. Also watch the intelligent ag blockage monitor.

 

[stockton]

I was going to suggest don't seed oats but I doubt either of our answers are what he is looking for.

C'mon.. Wheres your sense of adventure?!

Can static electricity aggravate this bridging?
Sort of an oat/plastic affinity?

Not to the oat seed itself. Its just that the fine oat dust collects on the sides a bit. Similar to when you empty a hopper bin, the lighter stuff mostly comes at the end and, when it runs down, it can bridge and block an outside run. Usually will only have trouble on one side at a time.

 

[Andrew_D]

I was going to suggest don't seed oats but I doubt either of our answers are what he is looking for.

Are oats not common in your area, Don?

Oats are one of our best paying crops. Having said that, I try to limit us to 2 or 3 quarters per year as harvest logistics become an issue - especially if there's no movement off the combine! If movement is an issue, we will generally pile them and try to clean up before the snow flies. If they get snowed on, then clean up by the end of February before melting starts.

I find the key to getting good yields and quality are to seed them early (we always seed oats first), fertilize for high yields (We shoot for 120-140 bu/ac, our MASC avg is 115), fungicide is a no-brainer (but then it is on all cereals "here").

Lowest has been 100 bu/ac, highest was 155 bu/ac, normal is 120 bu/ac.
Haven't had less than 42 lb/bu. Highest was 48 lb/bu. Normally 44-45 lb/bu.

Andrew

 

[Don Boles]

Are oats not common in your area, Don?

Understatement of the century, I don't think I could show you an oat crop in the county, and this farm hasn't grown oats in close to fifty years, the white kind anyway.
Might be some mixed oat crops for silage but a virtual unheard crop in this area.
There is more flax than oats here and it's a long search.

In giving it more thought why, this area had a Versatile dealer who also farmed, they would bring in Avadex by the trailer load and virtually fire sale it and the land that didn't get Avadex got Treflan for canola, no suitable land was really left for oats.
Seems oats just never recovered from that cropping practise.