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I have lots of irregular shaped fields and have noticed that when using a 40' drill I had 7% overlap and with a 55' drill I have 10% overlap. would like a 60 or 70' drill but worried that will have 15% overlap which is a huge cost.

Does sectional control work on Bourgault and other makes? Does it cut overlap in 1/2 compared to without it?
 

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Bud, hope you don't mind me adding a question as well.

On sectional control, when your openers are still running through the ground without product over seeded ground, what can a person expect to see happen on those areas? I know Seed Hawk openers will lift out of the ground once crossing over into seeded ground......but how would that work on a regular hoe drill or a drill without that ability?

Also, you don't need irregular felds for sectional control! How many times have you seeded an area, being very mindful about over lap, and end up having to seed a 5 or 10' section all the way along the last pass to finish?
 

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On sectional control, when your openers are still running through the ground without product over seeded ground, what can a person expect to see happen on those areas?
Nothing.
I do not understand nor see the need/advantage of lifting the openers as part of sectional control.
It's bound to cause unit skewing and I just don't get it.
Anyone enlighten me differently?
 

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We've been sectional on the Nh3 for years and with Trimble controlling it. It sets up an inside boundary that automatically shuts off the nh3 even if your outside rounds are not done. We also use this line to lift and drop the drill. Then you do your outside rounds last, and with headland steering as well i do my inside round first and that sure seems to turn some heads.

Absolutely no need to lift individual openers.

Did my worst field for drill overlap on the whole farm yesterday. There was 34 acres more on the air cart than the nh3 display!
 

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The field GPS's out at 294 and the air cart put on 330. I should throw up the map, but it has two runs at different angles two irregular stone ridges and a yard.

Every once and a while you have to get out and put one foot on the ground from all the turning.

Our fields are 90% square and that chunk really stands out and can see if that was your norm sectional on the drill could be huge. On square fields the difference is usually really small.
 

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Running a Seedmaster drill with sectional control on the seed & raven system for the liquid. Places where the knives are running in the ground in an already seeded area there is no affect when the crop comes up. Could never tell knives went through. Saving on a 60' drill with sectional vs a 45' without on avg are 10-12%; as high as 20% on our really crappy land
 

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First spring with Seed Hawk SCT 80ft 800 cart , the benefit of liting shanks is probably limited no down side either other than more hydraulic and electric stuff.
The benefit of lifting shanks is in tight corner's were a guy can lift inside section's ,or seed a wet spot and use half the drill and maybe there is more stuff like that.
For unregular field SCT is a saver
 

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We've been sectional on the Nh3 for years and with Trimble controlling it. It sets up an inside boundary that automatically shuts off the nh3 even if your outside rounds are not done. We also use this line to lift and drop the drill. Then you do your outside rounds last, and with headland steering as well i do my inside round first and that sure seems to turn some heads.

Absolutely no need to lift individual openers.

Did my worst field for drill overlap on the whole farm yesterday. There was 34 acres more on the air cart than the nh3 display!
Joe sorry to highjack this thread but I was wondering how to do this exact same thing with or 1000. how do you setup the inside boundary ? we would like this for our canola so we are not pack the **** out of the headlands.
 

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We didn't get a tank lid closed properly last year on canola. When we realized this we had a few options, do nothing no fert, run the drill shanks in the ground with fert on and seed off, or spread fert. We ran the shanks in the ground to put the fertilizer down, it makes a huge difference, we wouldn't have thought so either. Moral of the story lift the shanks, or do your own strip trial, I wouldn't make it too big though.
 

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I assume you use a SH which move's a lot of dirt with a BG this issue is not that big ,I think.
Last two springs condition for germ. was good in cold spring and you cover seed with 2 inch dirt it will show.
 

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Joe sorry to highjack this thread but I was wondering how to do this exact same thing with or 1000. how do you setup the inside boundary ? we would like this for our canola so we are not pack the **** out of the headlands.
I suppose it's not far off topic as the sectional on the drill would be similar.

On the FMX it really works awesome once you are on to it. In the best case you want to be on RTK corrections to set up a permanent boundary but will work even on WASS just a little different.

So on RTK we have mapped all out all our fields boundary's with the display mounted on a four wheeler as a rover.

This is a great time to straighten lines negotiate with neighbors as to where the lines are and where they should be as some seem to drift a lot.

To begin you select headland as your pattern. #headlands as 1 if your scouting. Boundaries enabled. And infill boundary as inner.

I make an "scout implement" just as wide as the four wheeler and then begin the pass around the headland. Drive a nice smooth corner and pause the record to make a straight line along the sides and also pick your infil A-B as you make the round. Once your back to where you started close the headland and you are done.

Now when ever you open that field you select that headland and no matter what implement you have your rounds are spaced right, and your infill matches to the side you placed it. Also you will now see an inside boundary on the inside of your headland depending on how many headland rounds you select. 2 always does us.

Now that inside line is what you use to lower and lift the drill as you watch your position cursor on the screen come up to the line. Lay down some inside round and watch where you need to be on the screen as it crosses the line

Now you don't need to use a scout first, you can do this on a real first round with the implement in the ground. Make nice corners and pause recording between corners to make straigh lines between.

Then you would have to choose 3 headlands to give you 2 to turn in.

As I said before you can do this in WASS as well but it has to be in real time and there is always a chance of some shift. Record your headland as you show to the field and if you work it quick your inside boundary should be close but would be an exercise in madness to expect it not to shift a little.

Well hopefully that's clear and give it a shot, if its not working PM me and I'll try and straighten it out.

Now no matter what monkey I send to the field the perfect headlands are already there, it auto steer's the outside round (I think you have to have navII's) and the monkey also know's he's in the right field as the boundary's are there and it won't even let you apply outside them.
 

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I suppose it's not far off topic as the sectional on the drill would be similar.

On the FMX it really works awesome once you are on to it. In the best case you want to be on RTK corrections to set up a permanent boundary but will work even on WASS just a little different.

So on RTK we have mapped all out all our fields boundary's with the display mounted on a four wheeler as a rover.

This is a great time to straighten lines negotiate with neighbors as to where the lines are and where they should be as some seem to drift a lot.

To begin you select headland as your pattern. #headlands as 1 if your scouting. Boundaries enabled. And infill boundary as inner.

I make an "scout implement" just as wide as the four wheeler and then begin the pass around the headland. Drive a nice smooth corner and pause the record to make a straight line along the sides and also pick your infil A-B as you make the round. Once your back to where you started close the headland and you are done.

Now when ever you open that field you select that headland and no matter what implement you have your rounds are spaced right, and your infill matches to the side you placed it. Also you will now see an inside boundary on the inside of your headland depending on how many headland rounds you select. 2 always does us.

Now that inside line is what you use to lower and lift the drill as you watch your position cursor on the screen come up to the line. Lay down some inside round and watch where you need to be on the screen as it crosses the line

Now you don't need to use a scout first, you can do this on a real first round with the implement in the ground. Make nice corners and pause recording between corners to make straigh lines between.

Then you would have to choose 3 headlands to give you 2 to turn in.

As I said before you can do this in WASS as well but it has to be in real time and there is always a chance of some shift. Record your headland as you show to the field and if you work it quick your inside boundary should be close but would be an exercise in madness to expect it not to shift a little.

Well hopefully that's clear and give it a shot, if its not working PM me and I'll try and straighten it out.

Now no matter what monkey I send to the field the perfect headlands are already there, it auto steer's the outside round (I think you have to have navII's) and the monkey also know's he's in the right field as the boundary's are there and it won't even let you apply outside them.

Do you use sectional control to lift and lower the drill or do you do it manually? I would like to know if anyone has or is doing it.
 

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We ran a Morris 8 Section Control 61 ft Dry and Liquid. Once we got our 8 section raven talking to the X30 it ran flawlessly. Any issues we found were human error. as far as disturbing seedbed on final pass, noticeable difference but I doubt it will translate into yield loss. First pass last option would be nice, and it is just programing. On our Farm we believe we saved about 4% overlap, translating into about $25 - $30000. It is about a $20000 option.
 
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