[dschill]

Have alot of crop that was not able to get harvested this fall. We have oats, flax and soybeans out under the snow.

MY question is in regards to independent disk units like the Lemken Heliodore, the Degelman Protill.

What is your experience and what would you recommend.

We farm sticky clay

 

[BrianTee]

You may be better off just renting a disc type seeder and direct seeding into it. One pass you're done.

 

[w-mFarms]

You may be better off just renting a disc type seeder and direct seeding into it. One pass you're done.

burn it, beans you can straight seed into them.
flax I don't know probably tricky.
either high speed disc would work, i'd try renting one.
buying one just for that is really expensive.

 

[alfred123]

with flax working the field with a high speed disc burys trash but the drill will pull it back up again have u tried to combine it recently? combining and then drying it would be the most profitable way of solving the problem if you can

 

[dschill]

I have disk seeders and have very poor luck with notill due to high slug pressure and cold clay. We are conv farmers and just want to know others exp with high speed disks

 

[bdpolar]

with flax working the field with a high speed disc burys trash but the drill will pull it back up again

We have a Lemken Heliodor and it does the same in heavy oat or wheat stubble. Looks beautiful when your done but biggest mess ever when the drill hits it in the spring. Big waste of money for a 40 ft fireguard maker.

 

[w-mFarms]

we worked a corn stubble in spring due to high residue with the lemken rubin,
set it to work shallow. worked it nice and black, but ya when the airdrill hits it it still pulls up straw again, a disc drill will do a better job of keepin the thresh down after you hit it with the highspeed disc

 

[712alberta]

I have seen the job that the Protill does in comparison to the Lemken rubin ( I think it was a rubin) and a Joker. The protill by far had the nicest field finish. The lemken and joker were about the same. Those two seemed to leave areas on the wings that weren't worked as good. I don't know what causes that if its improper machine set up or just the design of the machines. I suppose it could be that at the demo the dealer sales person didn't know how to set things up properly on the lemken and joker. I don't see how thats possible though, aren't the dealer sales person's suppose to be all knowledgable and all knowing when it comes to the machines that they sell :roll eyes:

In the end I see that the guys who did the demo ended up with a protill and after looking at one at the red deer farms show, you can really tell the Degelman doesn't worry about putting to much steel into there machines. It is however almost twice the cost, and a 40 foot machine will make a 550 quad track beg from momma

 

[dschill]

alfred123 The balance of our crops are screwed. Steady rain since August and now 12" of snow has everything totally wrecked. Flax dropped 50-60% of the bolls on the ground. Whats left wont pay the combine. Oats are flat to the ground, sprouted and regrew now under snow.

 

[Prairie Boy]

Degleman pro till for what you're doing I think. Insanely expensive though. Could just go out and buy a Summers tandem disc. We run a Joker but it's more of a seedbed prep tool as opposed to a primary tillage tool.

 

[mbfarmer]

Burn it. Burn it all!! Except for the beans. Combine them in the spring.

 

[Tablemountainman]

We went back to summers disc. Pulls nice at 6 mph. And you will seed into it in the spring.

 

[BrianTee]

Seems the trend in farming lately is all about buying lots of diesel and very expensive tillage machines flinging dirt 10 meters skyward!

 

[nicemustang]

mbfarmer is right....gasoline and matches is what is needed. Cheaper than any other tool and definitely best results.

 

[Hans Schwarz]

mbfarmer is right....gasoline and matches is what is needed. Cheaper than any other tool and definitely best results.

But its not good for organic matter and all those little critters that live in your soil,they need food too.Burning is a third world cropping technique.

 

[lynas]

But its not good for organic matter and all those little critters that live in your soil,they need food too.Burning is a third world cropping technique.

Agreed, Jaydee!

 

[Fingers]

We bought a Lemken Rubin 9, used it on our hailed land and our heavier black soil land. Worked about 4 -5 inches deep it's black now but hard to say what it will be like in the spring. Hopefully not five inches of soup. All the thiner soil was just heavy harrowed. The black land was also wetter with sprayer ruts and combine ruts( matches don't take care of them) so we thought we could add some air to the soil and relieve the compaction.

 

[alfred123]

Sorry to hear that dschill we got al our crop off just before it got cold though a couple huge rains i july (almost 10 inches in one weekend) definatly hurt yields big time always hope for better luck next yr

 

[dschill]

Thanks... Problem in our area is we generally cant burn... Not interested in paying MNR $2500/hour to water bomb my fields. Our area is only 35% harvested. Guessing 30-40 thousand acres not harvested in our district

 

[nicemustang]

He isn't talking about burning everything every year all the time. He wanted suggestions and that is an option. I've tried working heavy stubble, still can't seed it. He had to look at short term solution to his problem. Will likely have to pay $100000+ for a machine plus $10 per acre in fuel and be in a position that he may not seed next year?? Doesn't make sense to me.