Wondering if I can get some feedback on which liquid fert distribution kit to go with on my airdrill. Anyone have any recommendations? Have looked into pattison and wilger redball style, both with variable rate and sectional control. Also, does anyone know if a trimble 500 with ezboom can run the raven 3 way fast valve on these systems or do I need to upgrade to the 750 with field IQ.
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I have had 2 Pattison systems(really Raven setups) and have been happy with them. The Redball have good performance too I've heard. I ran the first with a Raven Viper Pro using Deere positioning signal. The current one runs off a JD2630 with sectional control. I am not familiar with Trimble. If your minitor is capable of running maps and prescriptions, you should be ok, otherwise an upgrade would be necessary.
I ran a sectional control system on an ez guide 500 and ez boom. It will run what you want. I built my own booms similar to the Pattison system and was much cheaper and easy to do. Last year I upgraded my drill to a seed hawk with sectional control and switched everything to run through the viper pro. That worked extremely well.
When you ran the sectional system with your 500, did you have a raven 3 way fast valve allowing flow to either the manifolds or bypassing it to tank once got to headlands and raven valves on the sections itself. I have one dealer telling me I can run it with a 500 and another dealer telling me I need to upgrade to the 750 and field IQ and its getting frustrating because one of them doesn't know what the are talking about obviously but I am just not sure which one yet and don't wanna buy a system and suddenly have to spend another 8,000 on gps if don't have to. If anyone knows of a good trimble expert to talk with then please let me know. I know my 500/ezboom ran raven nh3 but this liquid is a new upgrade and I am just a little in the dark about it. Thanks
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With your nh3 were you able to control applicationlike you're describing for 28? If so then it will work. I'm not sure what a 3 way fast valve is but it sounds like the 'fast close' valve I have which does what you're looking for. I will take a picture and post it later this morning.
Ok thanks ben, a picture would help. The 3 way fast valve they are saying I need diverts the product back to the liquid caddy on say the headlands when product is shutoff to the manifolds. it basically just controls the flow of product to drill, however the raven valves I had on the nh3 just were what you would call I guess 2 way, either they are on or off, no diverting product anywhere because the nh3 flows on its own pressure of the tank, whereas the liquid is pumped through a ground drive pump on this system and if shut off to manifolds, it needs to flow somewhere. Maybe there is a better set up though other than what pattison is telling me and another dealer that sells the wilger red ball set up is quoting me.
Depends what kind of pump you are using. If it is a positive displacement pump (ie piston pump), then you need somewhere for the liquid to go when you shut off the valve on the headland. That's why the 3-way valve works - it diverts the liquid either to your distribution bar OR back to the tank.
I have a centrifugal pump (same as most sprayers) on my planter which can deadhead without damaging the pump. So all I have is a on-off electric valve.
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I have a centrifugal pump (same as most sprayers) on my planter which can deadhead without damaging the pump. So all I have is a on-off electric valve.
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You can also still run a ground drive pump with a two way control valve if you just tee in a pressure relief valve before the control valve. That way then the control valve shuts you kick in the relief and run it back to tank. Should be cheaper.
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My apologies, it was cooold here the last couple days and I didn't get a picture. I did a little research in parts catalogs and online and the 3-way valve is the same as what I was describing. Just make sure that it's got the fast close motor on it for control. It will have 4 wires for control, and is necessary for quick shutoff, and diversion of the unwanted product back to your tank. This way you can set your target rate a little high, and then let your flow meter control the master valve up or down. On/off systems have to be manually tuned for accuracy from what I understand with pump settings.
This type of valve would work for simple on/off control across the full width of the tool bar. Using a relief valve for dumping will not allow incremental adjustment in variable rate applications, or sectional control application. Using a relief valve also requires a spike in pressure to cause diversion of unwanted product, which I like trying to avoid if possible.
Not to hijack your thread, but I have a raven system for sale if interested. It comes with the raven 3 way fast valve, and 8 boom sectional control valves. Also have JD rate controller that plugs into the 2630 monitor. Only used 1 season. Went back to dry fert for 2015.
Im running the green Pattison kit, trimble 500, ez-boom, fast valve setup, with 6 booms on 60ft. Works good for the sectional and rate controlling I need. I dont use prescription. Ran the setup with ground drive and hyd pump on the liquid, really no difference. Have a return line from the fast valve.
Thanks macdon02, that's exactly what I was wanting to hear. I am wanting to run the fast valve setup with 5 sections on 45ft on ground drive all ran off the 500 with ezboom. The guys at Pattison are the ones that told me though that the 500 with ezboom cannot run the system and I needed to upgrade to a 750 with field iq. Since then I have priced another kit with another manufacturer and with the same raven valves and controls that pattison has and he and a trimble gps tech said I am good to go with my 500. Good piece of mind to hear someone else say they have ran the 500 with ezboom to control the fast valve. Thanks
My advice on setting up a new kit, put about three 1.5" inline filters in the feedline. One up at the valve stack, one in by the aircart and a third back at the liquid wagon. Try and and find filters with different sized mesh, coarse at cart and fine up by the stack. Then pull the plugs from the bowls of the filters and throw a valve in so you can drain the filters without taking a bath, can run a drain line if you want. Make sure you have a 1.5" shutoff valve before the filter back at liquid wagon so if you need to clean filters. I used to run an old polywest boom with the dimes for metering, would get a buildup of salt on them, these new pattison kits are way better, never plug. Oh and if you can get outdated ammonia hose from your fert dealer it works awesome for supply and return lines. I ve changed alot of that cheap white coil hose over the years. Seems with ground drive pumps the hose will "pulse" and will wear anywhere it touches along frame, even in a hanger. Pump settings I usually left maxed out as any extra just got returned back to wagon. I switched to hyd pump off a sprayer if you have the capacity is nicer way to go. Had a couple whoops where cart rolled back couple feet, mangling the frame and drive chains on the ground drive.
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