If you are running 2 sprayers off of a flatdeck trailer I presume you have a guy there to mix? If so I know of a product coming out later this month(I was in a focus group for it) that would be perfect for that situation. Not on their website yet but give these guys a call: PhiBer Manufacturing Inc.
In house I believe. They pre-load chem into scaled holding cones which you control from side of truck/trailer. They have been running one on their farm for a bit and are going into production. Had several of us farmers there to critique it and give some final refinements. If I had a water trailer guy I would get one for sure, and I may get one anyways.:wink:
They are going to be at Ag-Days in Brandon later this month.
Awesome, you should put that in your profile so we remember.
I am a one-man show too and often suck out of the top and bottom of totes, if the scale is not visible or accurate enough I measure and put a pen mark on it. The thing to pay attention to is that if you move the trailer the liquid in the tote may not be at the same spot as before and you need to re-measure.
Here is some pictures of my water trailer. Maybe you can see the suction valves in-between the pump and Handler, I have several hoses that I put on there to draw from barrels and totes on the deck. I am quite happy with it.
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That seems like the trick for me. Do you habe problems with foaming somce i assume you start sucking chemicals when you're pumping water into sprayer?
Not usually unless air is being drawn into the system somewhere, there can be a quite bit of suction upstream of the pump. I find Liberty(Glufosinate) is the hardest to draw out of barrels and the worst for foaming, they put a stupid valve in there which slows things down too. If your fittings are sealed up tight you should be fine, I haven't used anti-foaming stuff in over 10 years.
All chem in totes goes in through the pump with the water, jugs are speared and rinsed in the Handler.
Our main pump on our spray trailer is a Kholer engine with a 400 gal a minute hypro pump. On the suction line between the water tanks and pump we installed a T fitting and plumbed two inch and a half chemical hoses to T fitting. We put a shutoff vale on both ends of chemical hoses and also flowmeters on the end where we attach hoses to totes. When we want to pull chemical we just close the main 3 inch valve on the suction line from water tanks to pump slighty or a lot, and it creates suction on the T'd in chemical hoses and we just open valves at flowmeters till all chemical is in. The nice thing is that you can adjust the time it takes chemical to get sucked (by opening or closing main 3 inch valve on suction line) to match the time it takes to fill sprayer tank so then your chemicals are already mixed when you are done filling and you can start spraying right after filling, instead of sitting there a minute or two and agitate the sprayer tank. I can fill 1200 gallon tank with water and 100 lites of chemical in 4 minutes and be back to spraying again.
In house I believe. They pre-load chem into scaled holding cones which you control from side of truck/trailer. They have been running one on their farm for a bit and are going into production. Had several of us farmers there to critique it and give some final refinements. If I had a water trailer guy I would get one for sure, and I may get one anyways.:wink:
They are going to be at Ag-Days in Brandon later this month.
Ok, I believe that gentleman is a member here, can't remember his name though. He farms, his brother builds if i remember right. Maybe he will give us on here a early preview.
A tote set on a set of scales is accurate. Specific gravity is easy to come by. You can suck with as big a pump as you want. Scales are the most accurate method for measuring quick
To get real fancy put scales on the sprayer. Seeding equipment gets scales, why not a sprayer?You would know gallons left , how much water put into tank etc
Ok, I believe that gentleman is a member here, can't remember his name though. He farms, his brother builds if i remember right. Maybe he will give us on here a early preview.
How fast of turn around are you guys looking for?
I use two Honda pumps, one that only has water go through it(a 3")the other(2") pumps the chem out of the tote into the handler for measurement and then back out and into the water stream into the sprayer. It is plumbed in after the 3", so I know there is never any chem in the clean pump. Using this method I can accomplish an 11 minute turn around, timed from when I stop the sprayer to when I am moving again. I really only go this fast when I am only using one product and not having to mix multiple. I've always been pretty happy with the speed I can fill, but have never asked what others shoot for and have wondered if putting an electric chem pump with a meter would be faster.
Major down fall of using a gas pump is I sometimes have foaming issues pulling out of barrels because I always get air mixed in. Merge is especially bad.
We use a Handler 1V to batch looking after 2 SP sprayers, have been sucking out of the top and it's a liittle slow with products like Glyphosate in winter. Thought I'd make a rack and put the totes up high, maybe 4ft and suck out of the bottom....Do u think that will help ?
We find a simple way to keep the sprayer moving is to put a timer on the chem pump. We purchased ours through farmtronics Farmtronics Ltd. - Farm Electronics Online Store:. Once you know how long it takes to fill the handler you then set the timer for just short of that amount of time. When you get back the handler is just about filled up to where it needs to be and there might be about one or two minutes of chem pumping required. With a 13hp three inch pump it is a fairly quick turnaround and we are spraying again.
I load out of totes a lot for my 1 sprayer (1 man show). Using the water pump (3in) to suck from the totes to fill the cone for measuring chemical is what slows me down, as its trying to draw chemical out of the totes thru a 1 inch hose.
My plan (redoing my water trailer), is to setup a 2 inch manifold, that has 4 inlets connected to 4 shuttles via 2in line, this manifold would be lower than the bottom of the totes, and the pump would be a diaphram air pump (running a small construction air compressor for the air pump, and a medium sized air tank). We use one for transferring fuel, and it will be plenty fast for chemicals. Thus I can be filling the mix tank, while I am pumping water to my sprayer. The chemical is pulled out of the mix tank, after being measured via induction, so I don't have to stop pumping water when the chemical goes in. Being able to do this with 4 chemicals in bulk minimizes exposure to chemical and reduces the changes of spills. As for chemicals I can't get in bulk, they are poured into the mix tank with while the induction valve is open.
Ya know I was just thinking....
Would it not be super sweet to have a sprayer set up with a place to load totes right on it, then just hitch up a Sidekick right to it and roll?
Kinda like I load bulk boxes right onto my corn planter.
I know it would be a pain for alot of people but guys that haul thier sprayers it would be pretty slick or are close to home.
I sure would like to reduce handling it as much as possible and that would do the trick for me
Not the greatest video but you get the general idea, he should have had one line to the drum and one line to the tote and you get way more efficient with the handles after awhile, I have run this setup for 2 seasons now, approximately 70,000 ac. For bulk products its fantastic the only drawback is the smaller mix tank if your using lots of jugs. If I'm doing liberty and centurion (glufosinate and clethodim) you can spike your jugs empty the handler, then suck your tote and fill sprayer very quickly 1200 u.s. gallons. straight roundup out of barrels Is ridiculous, 115 litres in a minute no problem and the 13hp power pro on 3" boogies. Ill try and get a picture of my setup.
Awesome, you should put that in your profile so we remember.:wink:
I am a one-man show too and often suck out of the top and bottom of totes, if the scale is not visible or accurate enough I measure and put a pen mark on it. The thing to pay attention to is that if you move the trailer the liquid in the tote may not be at the same spot as before and you need to re-measure.
Here is some pictures of my water trailer. Maybe you can see the suction valves in-between the pump and Handler, I have several hoses that I put on there to draw from barrels and totes on the deck. I am quite happy with it.:smile:
When sucking chem, do you shut the water right off ? Or just throttle it back ? I assume that would be quicker than using Venturi to induct it out of totes?
The way we have ours set up like i posted earlier, you need to suck a bit of water also, because most totes only have a 3\4 or 1 inch outlet versus you 3 inch pump or 3 inch pump supply line.We cant suck just chemical it doesn't work. Mabey other guys' setup's can.But its way faster than a chemhandler, though we still use chemhandler for jugs or cases.If it ever takes me more than five minutes to fill Im not happy and i mix and put in all the chemical myself, just have someone that fills spray trailer.
I'm thinking we're going to put a sub deck on the semi trailer where all the chem goes with load cells under it. Then just tare out the bulk chem. Can't say I've been impressed with any flow meter we've tried. Stick measuring the 1000l totes seems pretty half assed.
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