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Well here is an article that according to Agriculture Canada, Farmers are making money hand over fist, right in the first line. I guess i am one of the clueless that doesn't know the trade secrets on how to be super wealthy farming. I wonder if this will influence any price increases, i am seriously thinking it is time for me to hang it all up and pursue something else. Because i have no clue what the heck they are talking about, or where they are getting there stats.

http://www.producer.com/2015/02/how...ail&utm_term=0_a5b062b4c9-ad6470e1ec-87668341
 

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To quote Mark Twain "there are lies, **** lies,and bloody statistics". Don't think you're in the minority. It is to my ire when I glance at country guide and say the same thing. One time I was interviewed for a cattle magazine. I am by no means the worlds greatest operator but the article made me look a bit better. You have to remember print is supposed to spark interest and make arguments. We all get in that looking over the fence mentality. Some salivate and some are jealous. I have come to the realization that I learn what is working for them and apply what works for me. The producer and all these other ag rags can tack all they want but it's just drivel. I learn more off this forum than what I read in the media. Here is a good tool for deciphering all this drivel The Baloney Detection Kit: Carl Sagan’s Rules for Bullshit-Busting and Critical Thinking | Brain Pickings
 

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If your into cattle, your making money big time, but on the grain end of things, it sure does not look to **** hot from were im sitting
 

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I am not sure what "net cash income" is, i beleive that excludes investment/depreciation in the farm for machinery and buildings. Other components of the discussion are listed here from a stats can website:

Net cash income of farm businesses is derived by subtracting operating expenses from farm cash receipts. It represents the amount of cash generated by the farm business that is available for debt repayment, investment or withdrawal by the operators.

Realized net income of farm businesses is derived by subtracting depreciation and adding income-in-kind to net cash income. It represents the financial flows, both cash and non-cash, attributable to the farm businesses, similar to an income statement. It represents the net income from transactions in a given year in that it includes the sale of commodities regardless of the year they were produced.

Total net income measures the financial flows and stock changes of farm businesses (net cash income minus depreciation plus income-in-kind and value of inventory change). It represents the return to owner's equity, unpaid labour, management and risk. Total net income values agriculture economic production during the year that the agricultural goods were produced.

Net farm income is of interest to farmers, and their organizations, governments, financial institutions, the agri-food industry and the public. The numbers are used to assess the state of the agricultural industry and to form the basis of various policy options. The primary reason for compiling farm cash receipts is to estimate, on a provincial basis, the agriculture sector's contribution to gross domestic product. Estimates of farm income are published in the Canadian System of National Accounts as farm income contributes to the economic production and wealth of Canada.

As typical of reporting these days an author splashes a statistic in an article without saying how it is relevant or to be understood.

I remember reading a stats Can statistic that says xxxx number of people live below the poverty line and the number increases yearly. Turns out they get their data from yearly reported income on tax returns and so the 58 year old retired couple spending six months a year in Arizona with no income adds to the number living below the poverty line.

Anyway, if you dont look deeply into "statistics" being thrown around to understand their true meaning then there is no point getting worked up about them.

The numbers dont lie but people lie with the numbers.
 

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I read that "comic" too.... Had a chuckle, knowing better(at least I think) and just carry on. Why? they have to write a newspaper full before printing......
Same with Statistics, dont believe it all.
Other side of the story, we are quite fortunate to have freedom, make a little bit with farming and give our kids some valuable memories or future by living on a farm instead of noisy cities .
 

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been reading the same crap "we all have stock piles of cash" if that's the case I haven't found my stock pile, if some one finds it will they please let me know, the banker and I will be pleased to find out where all my money has gone
 

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Well here is an article that according to Agriculture Canada, Farmers are making money hand over fist, right in the first line. I guess i am one of the clueless that doesn't know the trade secrets on how to be super wealthy farming. I wonder if this will influence any price increases, i am seriously thinking it is time for me to hang it all up and pursue something else. Because i have no clue what the heck they are talking about, or where they are getting there stats.

http://www.producer.com/2015/02/how...ail&utm_term=0_a5b062b4c9-ad6470e1ec-87668341
"Subsidy payments fell 14 percent last year to $2.3 billion because of lower AgriStability and AgriInvest expenditures."

This is the last statement of that Western Producer article. It's all a sham!! If AgrIinvest fell by 14% that is based on Farm income and the amount the government contributes to YOUR Plan to match you!!. If you are quoting both plans at same time - WOW!!
It makes no sense at all. Furthermore, the government changed the AgriStability plan so that it will never support an average farm income anymore! I will have a hard time justifying putting money into that plan anymore because it will never even bring me to 70% of a 10 year average like Crop Insurance is supposed to!! (How many times has that ever happened in my lifetime or farming career?) And it is far too complicated. The only ones getting paid for this is the people that administer the plan and make sure we get none and chase after us to report the RIGHT numbers - government run and government employed!:mad:
 

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I read that "comic" too.... Had a chuckle, knowing better(at least I think) and just carry on. Why? they have to write a newspaper full before printing......
Same with Statistics, dont believe it all.
Other side of the story, we are quite fortunate to have freedom, make a little bit with farming and give our kids some valuable memories or future by living on a farm instead of noisy cities .
That is about it, my best memories are on the farm. Dad worked in town and farmed a little on weekends. Monday in school i was exhausted but boy did i have stuff to talk about, Dad always got me to drive a piece of equipment to other quarter, 9-10 years old driving the 1959 gmc 1 ton for him empty, Kids didn't believe that at all, LOL but what did they know they are just kids.
 

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Yeah. Talk about memories. I remember the time I was 10 and I was following the convoy with a fuel truck. Driving was fun and I decided to have a little fun with the truck swerving and swaying back and forward on the road. Before I knew it I had the fuel sloshing and I ended up in the ditch!! I brought it back out of the ditch and I never did that again. Nobody even knew except me!! Come to think of it, I never did hit the ditch ever again in my life! Sometimes experiences make you a better person and DRIVER!:)
 

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Kenmb

seems to have a good grasp of this so correct me if I'm wrong please.

I figure my last years net cash income will be my highest ever next to this years. This is not because last year was so great or this year will be so great but because of the good years before it.
 
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