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I wonder how many of these people have a cat or poofy little fluff dog and guess what they feed them...............it’s in nearly all pet food isn’t it.
They may have a had a pet but it died.
Now forever scared and angry that a farmer can keep their animals alive.

The VEGAN's are the heartless ones!
 

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Do they use fly spray? Do they kill mosquitoes? I presume that they let rats and mice run freely around their house.
We need to form a Vegetable Rights group.
How could you drive a knife into a tomato, the suffering that poor tomato must go through
I’m sure the would be a vegan infused medic who could send you off to a “clinic” to retrain your mind from such common sense thinking! :D:D

It’s hard to believe that many in OZ have seemingly changed from a country of “have a go people” to a generational attitude of “I’m entitled” based on creeping socialism in less than 20 years.
.......... & the people who provide cheap & plentiful food for them are the focus of their ill-informed protests & illegal actions! They need to go hungry !
 

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Sound like we need to carry a small sprayer of strong food dye/ spray dye so these people can be easily spotted with their coward masks removed.

How about a good high powered paintball gun, with a few frozen paint balls thrown into the mix for a little excitement.
 

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Same ones tell us that our dogs can not be outside and have to be indoors unless going to the bathroom are the same ones telling us we need to raise pigs outside instead of in a climate controlled barn.
Same with them saying dairy and beef cattle need to eat outside, some days around here with bad weather you won't even be able to chase them outside, once they stick the nose out they stop and stand.
 

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Like so many , nobody cares who or how our food is produced ,
Chickens in cages , broilers don’t see sunlight only one square feet 36 days.
Pigs not much better
Beef in feedlot on top off manure .
Lots off medication / hormones / antibiotics in those systems.
Lots off scandals with cruelty, poisoning and bad environmental practices.
Agree that there are good reasons for all off this , but I can only think off one and that’s the cheap end product .
Like so many times the consumer decides what’s on the table , but the more people get educated off production systems more vegans join .
And there is nothing wrong with that , and yes , no need to protest or stuff like that .
Being vegan is probably a protest on itself according to some ."....
 

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Like so many , nobody cares who or how our food is produced ,
Chickens in cages , broilers don’t see sunlight only one square feet 36 days.
Pigs not much better
Beef in feedlot on top off manure .
Lots off medication / hormones / antibiotics in those systems.
Lots off scandals with cruelty, poisoning and bad environmental practices.
Agree that there are good reasons for all off this , but I can only think off one and that’s the cheap end product .
Like so many times the consumer decides what’s on the table , but the more people get educated off production systems more vegans join .
And there is nothing wrong with that , and yes , no need to protest or stuff like that .
Being vegan is probably a protest on itself according to some ."....
While Im no particular fan of caged eggs and sow stalls the rest you talk about is crap. These are Terrorists pure and simple, dont try to clothe them any other way!
 

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Sound like we need to carry a small sprayer of strong food dye/ spray dye so these people can be easily spotted with their coward masks removed.
I agree with idea and was thinking of using the red dye we use when spot spraying, it is a good bright red and takes a bit of getting it off. But best of all I think it is Plant based vegetable dye, so they should be happy to be covered in it.
Would make interesting viewing watching a vegan trying to unchain themselves while being doused with a fire hose of red dye.

I am not a betting person but I think an action like this, would clear them a lot quicker than the police on Monday.
It would also make the police job f rounding them up a bit easier as they should be easy to spot. Maybe even some public shame.

On a different theme, I have just spoken to a chicken farmer friend who is installing extra cameras and security. Another cost he did not really need.
The cost effects of this behavior is hard to calculate across the whole industry but it will be a small fortune soon enough.
 

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Like so many , nobody cares who or how our food is produced ,
Chickens in cages , broilers don’t see sunlight only one square feet 36 days.
Pigs not much better
Beef in feedlot on top off manure .
Lots off medication / hormones / antibiotics in those systems.
Lots off scandals with cruelty, poisoning and bad environmental practices.
Agree that there are good reasons for all off this , but I can only think off one and that’s the cheap end product .
Like so many times the consumer decides what’s on the table , but the more people get educated off production systems more vegans join .
And there is nothing wrong with that , and yes , no need to protest or stuff like that .
Being vegan is probably a protest on itself according to some ."....
I agree that the consumer is the ultimate force behind production systems often their opinion is swayed be misinformation and fear mongering just as your opinion has been swayed by it.

Yes, production agriculture is driven by profit. The goal is to produce the best, safest product in the world as cheaply as possible to maximize margins. Is this not what you do on your own farm? Isn't this the goal of every business? Why does livestock production get singled out then? If the livestock is not comfortable and well cared for they will not grow efficiently, therefore lower profit. This is not our goal.
 

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Production is driven by profit , I think that’s the problem .
Most producers within the intensive livestock business are part off the production chain been in there myself to long (yak)
It’s start with profitable starting contracts which include building costs .end so Fort .
If margin are slipping within the chain thing go from bad to ....
Often feed is under same contract structures and quality is slipping , medication bill goes up .
After while the chain takes over and managers are put in barns ,after this point I don’t want to be the pig in the barn.
But each to his own , you can buy groceries and pick the food you want , you are what you eat.
 

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:5:So Grumpie, should we just produce food out of the goodness of our heart then, and not worry about making a profit?


I raise outstanding quality and flavored beef. Small scale, no feedlot style, no antibiotics (I do treat illnesses if necessary), no hormones......I try to sell "freezer beef", and can hardly keep a customer because people don't have $500+ to spend all at once on a quarter......So they buy at Walmart and blame the farmer for the practices, and no matter which type of farmer you are you aren't making money!
 

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If you my neighbor, I would like to have your meat for sure .
Agree small scale is not profitable or very difficul.
Same as any other small business who compete with wallmart.
That does not mean that I have to eat Costco or Walmart dairy culling cows .
When have you seen a pig or chicken outside .
I don’t know what’s happening with our health nowadays, lots start breakfast with coffee and medication don’t exercise eat crappy cheap food and complain about our healthcare .
I’m in favour for taxing bad and very poor food and subsidies your style producers .
Lots well off people buy green ,bio or animal friendly and healthy food but majority can’t afford.




But big lobbying multinationals got more power then all off us .
No left or right talk but open minded
 

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Im not saying to give in to the protesters. But lets look at the facts. There is been a rise of demand of organic produce from the consumer. Even though the way organic farming might not the the best practice but is worth looking at and to see if there can be improvements. But have to be open to ask questions and hopefully find some answers. Whoever desiccate with roundup knows that you are borrowed time, even though the Canadian government passed its use in 2017 for another 15 years. Somehow everyone kinda knows that it will end at some point. It will be the buyers of the grain asking what chemicals you used that will change the policies.



The smart farmers will change with what the consumer is willing to pay for a premium for. Just like Whole Foods get their nickname whole paycheck, but yet they are still going strong with hundreds of locations in the US.


So it comes to it what are you gonna do different as the farmer?
 

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I raise outstanding quality and flavored beef. Small scale, no feedlot style, no antibiotics (I do treat illnesses if necessary), no hormones......I try to sell "freezer beef", and can hardly keep a customer because people don't have $500+ to spend all at once on a quarter......So they buy at Walmart and blame the farmer for the practices, and no matter which type of farmer you are you aren't making money!

This is exactly what is happening. Peoples' statements and actions often become incongruent once money is involved. Most of them want to tell you what to do, dictate your production and life, to suit their individual world view. They won't pay for things to be done the way they want them (to buy another $1000 iphone) so demand that it be legislated.
 

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Most of these people protesting don't understand the economics of it all, not many of them have actual jobs.
 

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Most of these people protesting don't understand the economics of it all, not many of them have actual jobs.
It has been my experience that if they have jobs they don't produce anything at their job. Most have government or government sponsored NGO work.
 

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I wonder how these activists would feel if we arrived at their houses, erected tents in the back lawn and marched through the house to protest against vegetarianism.
Violated?
I'm not a huge fan of caged bird or stall pig farming, but I don't agree I have the right to impose my views on others.
 

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I wonder how these activists would feel if we arrived at their houses, erected tents in the back lawn and marched through the house to protest against vegetarianism.
I have thought about how to involve their income in this as well, put some of their skin in the game too. The problem is that welfare cheques are electronically sent out so you can't even blockade the government building that processes them.
 
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