[silver72man]

Looking into different models.
What are some different advantages and disadvantages in the N and early R series (50, 60, 70)? Some improvements in the different machines. Which machine would be N7 size or do the same amount of work?
How large of a header would a R50 and R60 handle in decent wheat and sorghum?

Any advice is helpful.
Thanks in advance

 

[mwhacker88]

R60 with a 27' is good, and an R50 can take a 24' rigid head in "decent wheat" if by decent you mean 30-50 b/a.

 

[monse75]

The R7 replaced the N7 but was made I think for only one year, then was replaced by the R70. The R7 still had the large allis engine but the body had the green stripes like the R70. I owned an N6 before going to the R7. I really like the bigger engine and slower rpm. R7 is built much heavier than the N6 but not sure about N7. The main shaft bearings are bigger for one thing. Most other things are the same as the late N models except for the dual spreaders which was not much of an improvement. I have heard good and bad about the Duetz air cooled engines, seems like they are good until you start to have problems, then look out. Some concerns about the availability of parts for the Deutz. I have a 25 foot head on my R7 but know it would handle 30 but a neighbor with a 30 says he would not buy another 30 foot header without haveing duals. Just my 2 cents

 

[silver72man]

Was there any major changes between the Ns and early Rs. Interrested in the R50 60 and 70s. running about 800 acres or less of 20 - 60 bushel wheat and dryland milo.
Thanks for the previous tips, greatly appreciated.

 

[medicineman]

A well tuned "N" will outrun a mediocre tuned R-70 or even R72 and vice versa, HOWEVER you should buy the newest machine that you can afford b/c AGCO was great for UPDATES that didn't make it onto every machine as they should have e.g. the big aircleaner on some R-70's & 72's, heavy shafts in the feeder houses, etc etc etc. These updates are quite expensive so that is why I say buy the newest machine you can afford as it will save you some headaches. I know hindsight is 20/20 but when I look back at the sizes of some of the shafts in the "N's" & early R's that broke I have to wonder who was the engineer? Lastly don't forget to have a gleaner guru tune the whole thing up.

 

[gregorym]

We run a R50 and N5. The cabs are nearly identical. The R50 I believe has a smaller feeder house opening than the N5 but hasn't been a problem. Our R50 doesn't have cage sweeps. The duetz engine in the R50 is more fuel efficient. We haven't had any problems yet with the duetz engine and clean the oil coolers daily. Capacity wise, I feel our R50 and N5 are nearly the same. We run 20ft headers on them but have soybeans and corn. The N5 has a couple augers around the cage that the R50 don't have. The engine went in the N5 this harvest and now we have a N6 sitting around. The N6 looks to be a replica of the N5 except for more HP. One thing the N series had was a split in 1982 on the feeder house. The 82 and newer machines uses the same attachment as the R series. The older ones were unique and seems hard to find older good heads. You can get adapters, but something to watch for. I didn't know that when we got our N5 and had a newer corn head. When we went to take it off the trailer, we had problems. Good thing it was a month before harvest and had time to change the bracket out.

 

[silver72man]

Thank you all for the advice it's been very appliable. I have been running my grandad's N7 and R72 since I was young, but was just looking into a machine of my own one of these days. I'm a very big fan of Gleaners we wouldn't run anything else on our farm. We are very fond of both of our Gleaners.

Please keep the info coming. What size and models of headers should I push on an R-50, 60, or 70 how do these machines compare to eachother? Did they make any changes when Allis sold out to Deutz? Did they increase the capacity between the Ns and early Rs?

 

[medicineman]

I have 3 R72's & 1 R70 all with Deutz. Great fuel economy each 1 used about 100 U.S. gal/day vs the neighbors' CIH8010 which used 250 U.S.gal/day. I blow the engines out thoroughly every 2nd day and they run great even in VERY dusty conditions. I use only Esso (EXXON) 0W-40 oil (150hr between changes) in them and do oil sampling at each change. The Deutz engines make more noise than the big Allis engines in the "N" & early "R". The turbo Deutz in the R70 or "72" is the only Deutz to consider as you can boost the power to about 330 hp whereas the R60 can't be boosted as the engine is very different. I don't have dual wheels on them but would think it is a great idea for stability & weight carrying capacity. They really sway and squirm around with a full hopper. The gross weight of the machine almost doubles with the hopper full. If you are in hills or soft ground this is also a reason to get the heavy final drives which usually are found only on the 7's, 70's,72's. (some 6's,60's,62's had them as optional equip

 

[silver72man]

Does the R70 compare very close to the 72s in capacity (grain bin, shoe or cleaning area, engine hp) will it do as much work as the 72s or closer to a R62?
I know our N7 with a 24ft header will not keep up with our 72 30footer. Those R72s are excellent performing combines, they are sure hard to beat. But they are pretty pricey. Wondering if the 70 models compare at all. I know they have almost the same cab as the N series which is fine with me.
So the R60s were not turboed? I'm guessing they are more like a R50 just with a bigger engine like mentioned in the above post.

 

[medicineman]

The R70 ran about 10% to 15% slower than the 72's in swathed canola (heavy crop). A hopped up R62 Cummins will go faster than the 70 with the Deutz however the Cummins is much harder on fuel. The cab on the 70 isn't mouse proof at all and that lower door opening catches a few people off guard. The processor in the 70 less efficient than the P3 in the 62 & 72's etc. Early 72's use the same shoe as the "N" & "R" models, later 62& 72's have a longer shoe.

 

[silver72man]

Yea i knew in '96 they upgraded and lengthened the shoe and started offering the cummins in the 62 and 72s. Ours is a '94 model R72 with the shorter shoe and the deutz motor which i almost prefer. Our combine has 4000 hours on it and havn't done a thing to that ole motor but change oil and filters ,and like you said we also blow our engine and filters every morning. I know exactly how them N cabs are with the dust and mice they were not the best built nor designed cab in the world by any means.

So how wide of a header do you run on your R70? I'm guessing our R72 shoe is about like the R70s since ours is an early model and didn't have the longer shoe upgrade.

 

[medicineman]

We have very heavy straw and CPS wheat can run 85+ bushels/acre. we always ran a 25ft flex header and sometimes a 27ft non flex on both the R70 + R72 with no trouble. Lately we have been running a 32 ft stripper header with great results on the 1994 -72 and a 28 ft on one of the 1992 - 72s and the 25 ft flex on the 3rd -72. We don't use the 70 on wheat anymore mostly b/c we would need more trucks to keep the grain away. The 72 on a stripper fills the tank in 15 min. We run a leg system at our bin site and it just barely stays ahead of 3 combines on wheat or barley. We were tempted to buy "GREEN" this year mainly b/c their dealer network in our area is much better than AGCO, but we thought the strippers wouldn't work to our advantage on the bigger capacity combine.

 

[silver72man]

How do the N7s and R#0s compete with say an L2 0r L3? Are they anywhere close to the capacity as an N or R? What are some ups and downs between the models. Preferences?
Thanks again

 

[silverhusker]

Im not sure about the N's but our L2 could run right with the R52 most of the time, and later in the night when the wheat would get tougher the R52 couldn't keep up with the L2. Not sure about an R50 either but im guessing an L2 should be able to run with an R50.

 

[cogleaner]

Silver72man, I seen there was a 2004 R65 listed up in Keyes, OK for 130,000. I don't know if that interests you or not but I thought I would let you know.

 

[silver72man]

Thank you cogleaner that's pretty close to where I live, sounds good. Does it come with a header or two, how many hours?

 

[cogleaner]

Here you go...

http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/det....0364AA0B35C4B10

 

[silver72man]

Thank you cogleaner for the info. That combine is beautiful!!! I can't wait to look at it in person, that guy is crazy for selling such a gorgeous machine. Glad talking with you. Where abouts in Colorado are you located?

 

[silver72man]

Is there anymore about the pros and cons between the Ns and Rs that a guy should be aware of? I'm kind of leaning towards the later and bigger R series such as R70. What series header did they make a thirty foot platform in? Were these machines better than an N in corn?
The machine listed above is beautiful, but the banker thinks it's to fancy.
Thanks keep them coming.

 

[mwhacker88]

If I could I would buy an early R62 for around 50,000. Then a 30' head like a 530.