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have no experience yet but we are gonna try 500 acres of it this year, split a couple fields of field (couple different varieties) and see how it goes. most data shows a decent yield bump but they want you to put it on after herbicide but before fungicide to get maximum results. we don't really have time for extra passes so we plan on delaying herbicide as late as the label allows for and doing then with herbicide. we may try one tank full at the correct stage to see how much better it is at the correct stage. will let you know in the fall how it worked.
 

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It looks promising from what I have seen. Like blue collar said maximum results will come from about growth stage 31 I think, which involves a separate pass. I plan to do that and have product booked for my wheat acres. Below is a picture of Harvest wheat sprayed at GS31.:)

EDIT: dschill the price was slightly over $12/acre
 

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From anything i've hear or seen in regards to PGR application you never get a yield bump. PGR help preserve yield the plant has already built in. As we all know, lodged crops never are a good deal, especially when it's wet. Now I have heard guys say they have actually had crop damage and yield drag using PGR at the edge of acceptable timing range.
 

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We have trialed Manipulator now for a few years on spring wheat and have had very good results with it, we are positioning Manipulator as almost a nutrient efficiency product rather then just a lodging preventer, for it uses N for seed development rather then for green matter. I have lots of trial information if anyone is interested!
 

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It looks promising from what I have seen. Like blue collar said maximum results will come from about growth stage 31 I think, which involves a separate pass. I plan to do that and have product booked for my wheat acres. Below is a picture of Harvest wheat sprayed at GS31.:)

EDIT: dschill the price was slightly over $12/acre
What if any advantages have you seen from this? Yield, Protein or maturity ?
 

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The trial results from Manipulator at IHARF and NARF are really promising. It seems like what you are doing is reducing plant height. That allows the plant to push more nutrients toward the seed, in addition to reducing lodging. The results on durum and CWRS are so consistent it's amazing. I'm going to be trying some this year for sure.

By the way, although I know it's hard to make another pass, delaying a herbicide application to catch better timing for the PGR is not a great idea in my opinion... weed control is still the #1 priority in growing high-yielding wheat. Apply the PGR earlier if need be, the results are still pretty good.
 

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What if any advantages have you seen from this? Yield, Protein or maturity ?
Not my trial. There was apparently a pretty good yield increase even though the crop did not lodge.

As already mentioned, think of the nutrients and moisture used to create all that straw and if only part of that energy goes to grain it is easy to see why yield goes up. If it saves crop from going down yield difference would only be higher I think. I will be doing a trial next year but it will be one pass with the sprayer off.;)
 

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From anything i've hear or seen in regards to PGR application you never get a yield bump. PGR help preserve yield the plant has already built in. As we all know, lodged crops never are a good deal, especially when it's wet. Now I have heard guys say they have actually had crop damage and yield drag using PGR at the edge of acceptable timing range.
Then they are using it incorrectly. Proper use and data show the opposite.

If you haven't already booked it by nov, not sure its available.

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$Department/deptdocs.nsf/all/crop14718/$FILE/au-2014-bernardin-manipulator-a-plant-growth-regulator.pdf
 

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Then they are using it incorrectly. Proper use and data show the opposite.

If you haven't already booked it by nov, not sure its available.

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$Department/deptdocs.nsf/all/crop14718/$FILE/au-2014-bernardin-manipulator-a-plant-growth-regulator.pdf

I agree 110% That's the wild card in PGR application IMO. Trying to dance around stressful conditions and weather with lots on the go to begin with, makes the extra pass difficult and leads to unnecessary problems.

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Can Manipulator be used in all cereal grains? Heard it is being testing on canary and even oats for registration in 2016?

I would like to try it on barley and oats
 

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WHY Book now???

Then they are using it incorrectly. Proper use and data show the opposite.

If you haven't already booked it by nov, not sure its available.

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$Department/deptdocs.nsf/all/crop14718/$FILE/au-2014-bernardin-manipulator-a-plant-growth-regulator.pdf
Manipulator has the same active ingredient as Cycocel, so what makes it any different??? Chlormequat chloride was discovered in the 50's.
 

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There is much to learn about it. Lots of trials need to be done to understand it in western canada, but the work done so far is quite promising. Even if it just shortened the crop and prevented lodging would be worthwhile.
 

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It has been used in Europe for at least 25yrs, nobody grows a crop without it. It was marketed as CCC or 5C cycocel, for optimum results it should be applied in two different growth stages ,so yes two applications . Its primary use is to shorten and stiffen straw, hence stops lodging and energy used to grow straw now goes into grain production. The advantage of less straw to harvest results in more combine capacity and less residue to deal with in straw management. Just my experience.
 

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Engage has had some trials locally so I've seen it in the fields over the last 3 years. Yes, Manipulator will shorten the stem. The most obvious result of this is less lodging. Now "here" there was some yield improvement as the plant put that energy into the head/kernels instead of straw, but the bigger yield bump will come when you can now improve fertility because the crop isn't lodging. I think with added N, they were seeing yield bumps in the 10-15 bu/ac range. (RS wht - can't remember what varieties they were testing.)

Best results at GS31, but that means an extra trip. Still got a positive response though at late herbicide timing ie: 5-6 leaf.

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From what I have heard there is definitely something to be said about yield advantages even without really increasing your fertility.
As far as putting the energy more into yield and less into straw, I have been told that the height will be reduced with PGR application but straw tonnage will not change. So basically your getting shorter but more dense stalks and not really "less" straw.
 

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From what I have heard there is definitely something to be said about yield advantages even without really increasing your fertility.
As far as putting the energy more into yield and less into straw, I have been told that the height will be reduced with PGR application but straw tonnage will not change. So basically your getting shorter but more dense stalks and not really "less" straw.
that would make sense given the root mass remains also unchanged.
 
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