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Turning over some old pasture ready for a bit of winter wheat. Had a lot of rain here recently but with a bit of sun and some wind the ground is turning over nicely.

Lime all ready to go on, triple super phosphate to be applied after phosphates showed up low.

Variety to be drilled is called Revelation, bred by Limagrain, going in next week at 325 seeds/m2 or about 65kg/acre.


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Do you get eyespot if sowing into pasture ground?...I do beans as first crop now...then wheat...

Revelation set the world record this year...

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Hi Ant

I only just saw this.

Yes you can get eyespot amongst other things from sowing into ground behind old pasture, but you can tailor your fungicide program to take account of it.

I would rather drill the wheat as a first crop, as I can kill anything in wheat, beans my hands are very much tied.

I'll take a picture of the cropping emerging, I'll be going back in a week or so.
 

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And the reason for ploughing?...and 65kg/ha for 325 seeds sqm..how light is this wheat?

I'm getting predicta B soil test done on my block to see if it's beans or wheat next year..

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Hi Ant

With the amount of turf on top, you really need to plough to get it out of the way before you have a hope of drilling into it. Also, I want fairly clear dirt before any pre-em chemistry has a hope of working.

The idea is we will grow this wheat and use it to clean the land up, wholecrop it for silage and then re-seed it with some grass.

65kg/acre seed rate or about 160kg/ha, sorry. I think the thousand grain weight was about 50, but I cant remember, it was a variety we had to source from the east of the country, the rest of our own seed grain has been a lot heavier.

Here is a reseed of grass coming up for comparison.

Also, regards soil testing, how do you differ according to beans or wheat? I test the dirt and sort it according to what we need, I wouldn't let a soil test result determine which crop I grew, if you see what I mean?


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Hi Ant

Maybe I have some dirt which you might find more recognisable? This black organic stuff, low pH and pretty nasty.

Also, what do you reckon on one of these soil test results? I've just done some on some of the black land type stuff, should get them back this week.






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Glad to see I'm not the only one who still uses a plow on hay ground.

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Also doing mouldboard ploughing here as well, seems to give a pretty good finish once you rotary hoe it to produce a fine seed bed.

What type of crown do you plough with a machine of that size, we only use a 3 furrow Kverneland mouldboard with plastic boards?
 

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What type of crown do you plough with a machine of that size, we only use a 3 furrow Kverneland mouldboard with plastic boards?
The Crown is interesting to make. We are not so worried about a tall crown as subsequent tillage passes level it out quite well. Basically I make the first pass by adjusting the front furrow wheel so the front bottom is cutting about 75% of plowing depth. I then turn around and overlap the front bottom but set it to full plowing depth. It makes a pretty good ridge down the 1/2 mile run, but a trip down that ridge with an offset disk levels it out pretty well. It is NOT competition plowing by any means!

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The Crown is interesting to make. We are not so worried about a tall crown as subsequent tillage passes level it out quite well. Basically I make the first pass by adjusting the front furrow wheel so the front bottom is cutting about 75% of plowing depth. I then turn around and overlap the front bottom but set it to full plowing depth. It makes a pretty good ridge down the 1/2 mile run, but a trip down that ridge with an offset disk levels it out pretty well. It is NOT competition plowing by any means!

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That looks pretty good to me? Never easy in deep old turf, particularly with no vari-width and a conventional plough!

I'd be happy with that. I've seen a LOT worse believe me.
 

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Great pictures. Reminds me of home. I moved here 15 years ago from the Wiltshire downs and miss ploughing,I know the advantages of good ploughing but never do it here in Manitoba. Was thinking of trying some this year to bury the mat is straw that was produced and also corn residue.neighbours have ploughed a few acres in the past and seen great results in terms of yield in beans. Your wheat looks to be a little thin on the ground. I know here in mb if I had wheat that thin I'd be stressing.
 

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Hi MBCat

Where roughly did you live in Wilts? My area stretches about as far as Trowbridge so I go that way a little, though originally I worked In North Dorset/Wilts round the Salisbury area.

I have to say that I am no ploughman and my experience of it is limited to a single season outside of what I learned in college, which was very little, so I am not one to judge anyone's ploughing but certainly the lot I did was quite satisfying.

That said, as an agronomist I can see the benefits and potential uses of it, and where possible we do try to avoid doing it, although in old pasture where you have a lot of old turf to bury, it is nearly universally accepted as the way to do it.

The wheat does look a bit thin as it so often does at the awkward just out of the ground phase. I call it the 'silent march'- those plants sort of slowly march forward over time until you will barely be able to see the bare soil. In fairness that photo does show a patch where the seed bed wasn't very even so the plants look a bit all over the shop. I saw those fields today and was pleased at how they were coming along. I'll take some more photos as time goes by so you can see what becomes of the crop.

What prompted your move there, how do you go about it and is there any work as such for people in my position? Also, I am not up with the codes or abbreviations, where is 'MB'?
 

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MB is Manitoba, Canada. (everyone got tired of the 3 and 4 letter abbreviations so North America went universally to two letter abbreviations for provinces and states.
 

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I farmed at yatesbury. It was overlooking Calne toward chippenham. Cold there even on a hot summer day. The heavy chalky bolder clay was not the easiest to work with but grew great crops. Four ton winter wheat was possible in a reasonable year and three was a disappointment. Kinda miss there sometimes but there are lots more opportunities here and the land was cheap when I came here , I could buy 15 acres just south is Winnipeg for one back home. That was a great driving force to make the move. Less stress and better lifestyle too. also I don't miss the black grass lol.
 

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This was Yesterday, (Oct. 24, 15) plowing 7 year old hay, grass/alfalfa mix. Ground was dry and disgustingly hard. My 230 HP 2WD spun out at 125 Lbs/hp weight. Had to put the big boy on the plow..

 
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