[dustyk]

Ok guys..I have a question. it is my opinioin and I have no basis for any of this..but..say in a year or 2 CIH decides to drop the 88 series combines and introduce a 6010 and 5010 to take the place of these. That way they will all be on the same platoform. Now. If this does happen..what will custom cutters do? Many complain that the 8010 is to heavy to haul around, etc etc. Will they go with a 6010 and run smaller heads like a 36ft or will they adapt to be able to use the 8010 and maybe a 40ft header. Maybe reducing the number of combines they run if they can run a 40ft header. Im just curious to what others think.


A farm that runs around 30,000 acers currently runs 2 2388s. Hires 2 custom cutters to come in and help get all the wheat off. Its time to upgrade. What should that farm do. Upgrade now to a 2588 or wait for a 6010..OR should they spend more and get the 8010 since they dont worry about hauling it or anything. Just a question

Thanks for the response.

Dusty

 

[casefarmer]

ID get a couple 8010's

They will not go away from the 88 series untill they have that newholland setup going really good with the 7010 and 8010's

I do belive that

so if they roll out a 6010 it wouldn't bother me a bit cause id know they surely believe that its more than capable to peforme as well or better than the 88 series

 

[canuck]

FYI - the 2007 - 2588 series has an increasing number of common parts with the XX10 series, and one would expect the percentage to grow with each year. Our official new model introduction (2588 and 7010) in W. Canada in mid Oct. I'll get a chance to crawl over them and see what is common.

 

[jp]

Quote:FYI - the 2007 - 2588 series has an increasing number of common parts with the XX10 series, and one would expect the percentage to grow with each year. Our official new model introduction (2588 and 7010) in W. Canada in mid Oct. I'll get a chance to crawl over them and see what is common.

Curious as to what is common on the 2588s over the 23s with the 8010s? Only thing I can come up with new is the wheels are now common.

Aside from some hardware, red paint, air filter, and cab display.

 

[dustyk]

oh.. I did not know that. Good to know I guess..but..should a guy go with a 6010 and stay smaller and more machines or jump to the 8010 or 7010 with fewer machines. I cant make it pencil out. I guess with a 40ft header on an 8010 you should be able to cover more acers so maybe it woud be the way to go. But if we are gonig with the big boys..myabe New Holland is the one to look at. But thats a difference conversation. Wheres all the opnions I thought I would get

 

[mx270a]

I'm not sure a sharp pencil will do much for your $ numbers. Good luck with that.

The 8010 is just out of testing stages. The 7010 has at least another year of testing before I'd consider buying one. The 6010 doesn't exist, except for maybe one test dummy machine. I'd give it 3 years before anything is made public there.

They may eventually put the 8010/7010 cab on a 2588 and change the numbers again, but the chassis will remain the old 2388 chassis for many years. That old chassis has proven itself over many years, and everyone has parts for it. The core of the machine is the same as it was back in the 1480 days.

The 7010 is basically the same as the 8010 with a detuned engine. Same relationship as the 2577 to the 2588.

Anyone with 30,000 acres better be looking at 2588 or 8010 sized machines just from the labor standpoint.

Many of the custom cutters have combine trailers that were originally designed for 1660/2166 size machines. The 2388s they haul today are heavier and wider than the trailers were designed for. It works, but a lot of the trailers won't hold a 8010. It's just too heavy.

For example, for a custom cutter, switching from (4) 2388s to (3) 8010s has very little gain. You need new trailers to haul the machines. You need the same number of grain carts and semis to haul the grain, since the 4:3 ratio should get you about the same acres per hour. All you really gain is reducing your staff by 1 combine operator. You also make 1 less trip back with a semi when moving towns, since you have 1 less thing to haul. Add in that everyone has service trucks full of spare parts for 2388s, and that the 2388 platform has a solid reputation. This is my thought on why you won't see custom harvesters all switching to the 8010s any time soon.

-Lance

 

[dustyk]

Thanks Lance. I do agree. The question is more for future standpoints. I really think the 2388/2588 design is on its way out. Yeah a few more years but I say 09 to 2010 might prove to be an introduction year on new machines. Mainly a 6010 and 5010. IF this does happen what would the custom cutter do. Stay with a 6010 since it would be around the same size as the 88 series or would they restructure and rebuild to be able to use an 8010? Anyway. For the Farm I think It would be wise to stick with 3 or 4 2588s instead of going with the 8010/7010. Like you said. A proven design and plenty of parts.

Dusty

 

[cowgirlchaser]

I agree that the 88 series is on its way out too. CaseIH is smartly trying to make all the platforms alike, so that as many parts as possible interchange. This is something that has been a long thing comming and they should of did years ago. We have a 1997 2188. The main reason that we did not buy a new combine for all those years was that there was no point in it. The 2388s were basically the same machine. We did add updates however such as the hydralic reverser, and so on. Other than that it wasn't worth it to spend all that money, till the 8010/7010 came out. They have all the new stuff. This is the reason you will see the 88s get the axe. They might keep the rotor and some of the internals when they switch. However they will be changing to the Hyd drive, larger elevators, new cab, and so on. Less belts & chains = less Maint. Also basing all of them on the same platform is smart, because that means a new model won't have as many problems when it comes out as the 8010 did. This is why you won't see as many problems with the 7010. Think about it if all the models are somewhat standardized, or use alot of the same parts then the dealers won't have to carry as many different parts. This means that they more than likely will have what you need. One last thing for the farmer I don't think it is wise to stay with 3-4 23/2588s when 2 7010s or 8010s will do the work. Thats 2 less people. With finding help the way it is today thats better. The custom cutters it would probably be the same. I'll give you a example. There is a farmer around here that farms around 15,000 acres. He used to have 4-5 2388s to get the job done. When the 8010 first came out he bought 1 and bought 1 9580 too. Traded 3 2388s on them kept 1 of them. He had his share of problems with the 8010s but even then it would eat up that 9580. He traded for new machines every year Deere & CaseIH. He did this up until this year. He now has 2 brand new 8010s. He said that once they got all the bugs out the deere couldn't hold a candle to the 8010, and it cut his combine operators by 2 or 3. The only problem is that it takes 8 semis and 2 1000 bushel carts with Quadtracs to keeps them going. Sometimes that wont do it.

 

[dustyk]

Cool.. Thanks for the reply. When you say it takes 8 semis and 2 carts..do you mean when harvesting corn? I find it hard to believe it would be the case in wheat. The farm Im talking about is mostly wheat. They do some sunflowers but could get buy with just 1 machine to do the work. There are some other small amounts of small grains but nothing I see 2 carts would be needed as well as 8 semis. As of right now with 2 2388s we have a smaller 700 bushel cart and 2 semis,1 triaxle and 2 older tandems and they all keep up fine. Granted that is with 30ft headers and smaller machines. Anyway..Thanks again.

Dusty

 

[younggun]

Talked to our local dealer today. He figured by 09 the 88 series would remain but it would look like the 7010/8010. He also figured it'd remain on the same chassis setup. Also, supposedly case has a combine with a folding auger that they want to release soon. Apparently they hold the patent on it and not JD? Whether it'll be an opition or standard equipment i dont know. I do know a new 2007 2588 is listed at $18000 more then an 06 2388 with the same opitions. We hope to demo a 7010 this fall but its doubtful the dealer can get one.

 

[cowgirlchaser]

Well I can tell you that this year in wheat he used 1 1000 bu cart and 8 semis to keep up. He was running 1 8010, 1 9860, and 1 2388. All had 30 ft heads. FYI the wheat was averaging 95-100 bu per acre. He has since got a second 8010 to replace the Deere. Yes you were right in corn last year he only ran 1 8010, and 1 9860. Both had 12 row heads. It took 2 1000 bu carts to keep up and 8 semis. He said in 200 bu per acre corn the 8010 could run 4.5-5 mph, but if the Deere tried to keep up with it corn would start coming out the back. However they could only run 3.5 mph, because the trucks could barely keep up then. They were loading a semi every 11-12 Min's. They had to haul it up to 25 miles back to his home farm, then it took about 20 Min's to weigh and dump the truck before it was back on the road. They were putting a full cart on every semi too.(1100 bu).It was great to watch the cart would pull up and start at one end , and when he got to the other end he was empty, the truck was full. The guy tarped it and left, while the cart hauled a** across the field back to the combines, as the other one was coming back to the trucks He only uses the 2388 in beans and wheat now. All the semis are pulling 42ft hoppers.

 

[cowgirlchaser]

One other guy here used to run 2 2388s with 8 row heads, now he traded them on 1 8010 with a 12 row head. Before he could pick all day before catching up to the dryer. Now if he starts at 8 am by 2 pm the wet tank is full and all the trucks are full. He has a 6000 bu wet tank, about a 900-1000 bu per hour dryer and 8 semis. Also my dealer said CaseIH is working on a 16 row head for the 8010. I think Cat already has one. CaseIH is going to release a 36 ft cutter bar head in 07.

 

[farmertony]

7010 is not a detuned 8010 7010 has a 10 inch narrower cleaning system like a cr 940 a 9 L iveco engine and the engine compartment and rotary screen are like a NH feeder house same as 8010 and same rotor final drives and such I do not know a smaller machine I would suspect we'd have 2588 and 77's along time yet

 

[dustyk]

Thanks for the info. Sounds like the 8010 can eat the crop pretty good. It mght be worth spending the extra bank and getting 2 8010s instead of 3 or 4 2588s. Wonder how they compare to the Nhs. You just dont seem to hear much of Nhs at all. Ah..well 8010 I think is the choice. 40ft draper or just a 36?

Thanks again guys.

 

[casefarmer]

I do know a new 2007 2588 is listed at $18000 more then an 06 2388


Are you freaking serious????


that much money for some added springs on a slip clutch and the same exact options as what we already (and everyone has)

If that isn't the biggest joke then im not sure what is..

i hope a couple years of rolling these combines and it will be interesting to see if we have the same couple problems yearly

so far im very happy with this 06 2388 and our 04 is doing well too

but crap thats alot of money for NOTHING DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[caseihmech]

casefarmer, I like the 2300 series have been a good performer no matter what anybody thinks. their simple to work on & thats alot to a mech. I wish the company would talk to small dealers to see what works for them, its not 8010 or 7010, its the 2588 or if they produced a 2566 following the 2366 that is the machine they would have a market for a combines. Just my 2 cents.

 

[casefarmer]

yeah the smaller market right now and maybe in the future..will be just as important as the big one..

There's really anymore in this area...small or big.....i guess then custom harvesters..


I bet they would be shocked what would happen if they came out iwth a 2544 even...


It really upsets me if there going to take the exact same combines that everyone and there grandma has been useing since what...96 and just add on the exact options that we already use and tack on 18,000 bucks!!!!

 

[anteater6788]

Case know how many of each size combine they sell every year and that's why the 44 and 66 series machines were dropped from the lineup. The Axial Flow's have been on the market for almost 30 years now and you can bet the farm that Case knows exactly how many of each model has been sold each year.

I don't see the 2500 series being dropped anytime soon, it's a proven product with a fairly low R&D cost that still has most of their market share so they are a very profitable line for Case. If Case see's a big market shift away from the 2588s to the 7010's there might come a day when the 2577 is dropped and the 88s take over the class 5 and 6 market but at this point I'd say that's totally dependant on what customer's buy.

 

[jhent]

Engine in a 7010?

Quote:7010 is not a detuned 8010 7010 has a 10 inch narrower cleaning system like a cr 940 a 9 L iveco engine and the engine compartment and rotary screen are like a NH feeder house same as 8010 and same rotor final drives and such I do not know a smaller machine I would suspect we'd have 2588 and 77's along time yet

Hey Farmertony, are you sure the 7010 has the 8.7L Cursor? IVECO was dropping the 7.8L and replacing it with a 8.7L but I have yet to hear what the engine will be in the CR960 and CR940 to replace the 7.8L Cursor amd 7.5L Genesis. There had still been speculation that they would use a 8.3L Cummins in 2007 machines although I like the design of the Cursor engine better personally.

 

[younggun]

the $18000 price different is LIST price. I imagine u can get one bought cheaper from a dealer but its like a 8 or 9% price jump in one year