Went to HHD today and was a bit disappointed in Agco. Not one Gleaner on display at the entire show other than the one running in the field. There wasn't even a Massey or Challenger on display either. WTF? Apparently this wasn't the year for combines, Case and New Holland only had two each, so did Lexion, and Deere only had one. An assload of new Agco tractors were available though.
No new combines!
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yeah fps same way agco rep told us we let the field do our talking i was like ok so trade me out of a another brand of combine show me the better features of your combine, he just looked at me i was like yeah no combine to show me, but to top it off the guy told me they had a picture of one talk about one dumba__ i just lost it, agco can't do anytyhing right that was just plain stupid of them not a combine, the draper guys were telling the other brand people they had to buy their being agco combine to use the draper i told them its a little hard when they can't go look at one only in the field that is harvesting, i told our dealer it was down right pathetic, thats not the way to gain business thats for sure i was very disapointed in them and no shirts hats or nothing very sad but then deere had no shirts either only Case ih and they were full.
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I noticed that on tuesday as well. I just assume they felt it was too expensive to bring more than one machine to the show. They seem to have crashed and burned on the axial machines and the R is in reality the only viable product they have in terms of harvesting equipment. They simply don't have the dealer-service infrastructure in place in north america to handle ever more complicated and expensive machines. The strange cat-challenger relationship has gone nowhere as they only want to sell lexion. The axial has no appeal to their transverse customers as well as the few dealers left. It would be very difficult to have to service two totally different machines with very different operating characteristics. I run an R and am concerned that out of the blue agco will announce they are withdrawing from the north american large equipment market and I will be forced to go to some other brand, or my dealer will give up their gleaner franchise. By the way saw their new tractors-very european. I don't think deere or case will be too intimidated.
Heres my take and I have knowledge of nothing. Big time for tractors. This is why there was so many, they are wanting people to come look ( at a very nice, highy advanced tractor) they may be the best series of tractors that AGCO has introduced. With a combine being there such as a R76 they would know that would take the spotlight from the tractors. With that being said there was really no changes to the combines from last year and production will start next week. They did spend alot of money on the anniversary with the combines so you have to give the other pieces of equipment the spot to. Know I do know there will be a bigtime combine there next year!!!!!!!!!!! So take that for what its worth. Maybe a new R?????
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I too am dissapointed. We run a 8 year old machine and we've kept it a few years longer than normal because we have felt that when we bought our next machine we would at least shop around a bit figuring if you did jump brands its better to trade in a lesser valued machine to the competition instead of one a couple years old. And to not have a new machine in the FPS display is a joke. I could understand if it was a brand new model, but its been out over a year. Casually mentioned to our local red and green dealers we might be looking at a combine and they are ready to bring a demo out tomorrow. Went to Gleaner meeting a few weeks ago and asked the local rep and dealer about trying out a new 6 series and the dealer said I could try a used 5 series and the rep said they didn't think they would do any demos this fall due to cost. We're to the point that this is the last AGCO piece left on our farm(10 years ago it was all AGCO except 4WD tractors), but we've kept it because it's a great design and easy to work on. I love the new unloader and the looks of the new draper. I won't buy a car without driving it and I'm not about to spend 250+ on a combine and not drive it.
8-10 years ago one of AGCO's largest dealers went under in this area. I'm not here to say whose fault is was, but the bottom line is this dealer had 4 stores in this general area. AGCO has done nothing to either replace that dealer or help/encourage the current dealers to take on the customers. The result is the dealers that are still left are the same little operations they were 10 years ago and 95% of those customers from the large defunct dealer now drive other colors. Now the dealer from Taylorville is no more. Pretty soon in southern IL there won't be any left.
As far as the tractors go, until they have a full service lineup they are wasting there time, no matter how great ther tractors are. We went down that road for years. Bought the small sub 200hp tractors from one dealer and he worked on those, while the 4WD had to come from somewhere else. Got to the point that the pre DT tractors were so bad we just started buying the same small tractors as the 4WD. You will never be able to sell enough small tractors unless you can get into the 4WD market and offer a full line up.
AGCO needs to listen to customers. Customers want the traverse rotor. Whats AGCO do? Spends money developing the A85 that no one wants. It's a shame because it was really the first thing they came up with themselves(besides the new DT and later series tractors) and it's pretty much a bust. Planters haven't changed much other than row width and tool bars, they bought Sunflower and all that will stay the same forever(or until the discontinue models).
8-10 years ago one of AGCO's largest dealers went under in this area. I'm not here to say whose fault is was, but the bottom line is this dealer had 4 stores in this general area. AGCO has done nothing to either replace that dealer or help/encourage the current dealers to take on the customers. The result is the dealers that are still left are the same little operations they were 10 years ago and 95% of those customers from the large defunct dealer now drive other colors. Now the dealer from Taylorville is no more. Pretty soon in southern IL there won't be any left.
As far as the tractors go, until they have a full service lineup they are wasting there time, no matter how great ther tractors are. We went down that road for years. Bought the small sub 200hp tractors from one dealer and he worked on those, while the 4WD had to come from somewhere else. Got to the point that the pre DT tractors were so bad we just started buying the same small tractors as the 4WD. You will never be able to sell enough small tractors unless you can get into the 4WD market and offer a full line up.
AGCO needs to listen to customers. Customers want the traverse rotor. Whats AGCO do? Spends money developing the A85 that no one wants. It's a shame because it was really the first thing they came up with themselves(besides the new DT and later series tractors) and it's pretty much a bust. Planters haven't changed much other than row width and tool bars, they bought Sunflower and all that will stay the same forever(or until the discontinue models).
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What a bunch of whiners. No shirts and no hats. Is that what it takes to sell you guys. All AGCO is "hearing is do this do that and we will think about buying your product" once every ten years. Money talks and BS walks. If you want AGCO products now and in the future than support them by buying their products. You all act like AGCO has to reinvent the wheel every two years. Any Positive comments?
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Massey, they're not just complaining about lack of caps or shirts. Only one mentioned them, and not even in reference to AGCO.
The big complaint, from all of the above, was the simple fact AGCO could not field even just one specimen of their new combine!
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If one of the Big Three cannot even produce a single combine, let alone even their newest, then each of the above posters do have a legitimate complaint.
The big complaint, from all of the above, was the simple fact AGCO could not field even just one specimen of their new combine!
If one of the Big Three cannot even produce a single combine, let alone even their newest, then each of the above posters do have a legitimate complaint.
I was there today also. Dad and I had the same comment and also didn't notice any other brands also. I went thru all the lots but can't remember seeing any combines. I missed the harvesting part. What was the moisture? Did they run the Vermeer cob machine behind any of them. I know the guy who designed it. I was impressed with the the working cutaway of the CVT transmission in the AGCO Semi trailer and the engineer putting on the demo. They did have their new draper head on hand and many people were around it when we looked at it. Sure looks like a great head. I felt very little excitement in the other brands also. Deere was selling hats, but not sure if anything else. I usually get a hat or two along with other junk, but today I got a pen and a couple AGCO cd's.
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For starters you couldn't give me a shirt or hat. Second I think I stated the Gleaner R series combine is a very good machine and the latest DT tractors are pretty decent. We have and buy a new planter every 2 or 3 years, did so with White and have with Kinze the past 2 times. Try to do a tractor every two years. My point and I think the others is if you want to sell your stuff you A better have a darn good product, B sell it at a competetive price and C bust your butt to prove you have a product, want to sell it and provide service. All this equipment out here today be it red, green or what ever color is pretty good and competetively priced which takes care of A and B so it pretty much comes down to C. In IL, outside of a couple dealers, AGCO gets an D- at best. Just look around red or green on every block with nice facilities, excellent service techs, loaded service vehicles, well stocked parts, young people who know the new technologies. Then look across the road at the old out of date buildings, a service truck which consists of a half ton pick up and a two tray tool box, limited parts, no one to help with new monitors and GPS equipment and on and on. You may call that whining, but here it's just plain old facts. And then if you want to drive a Massey there may be just 3 or 4 dealers in the whole state. So if you want me to support a product you better provide A, B AND C because 2 out of 3 don't cut it.
I agree with Massey Pride. I think its very tough for individuals to understand that the space these companies take at farms shows is very very expensive. I go to a farm show to see something new. I can go to plenty of dealer lots and look at the 66 and 76 combines. I wish I could have went to see the new tractors but I guess I will wait till the tractor revolution van.
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This topic just peaves me. Nothing changed on the combines, why bring them? You've got the world's most advanced tractor NEW this year. You bring that.
You guys are whining like 5 year old girls who just had their lolipop taken away! How many 'bines does Deere have? How many did they have at the show?
I don't know if ya'll noticed, but grain prices are down, credit is short = less sales = less advertising $$$.
As for the Axial being a failure... you're so right. AGCO is producing 99% "R" series Gleaners
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You guys are whining like 5 year old girls who just had their lolipop taken away! How many 'bines does Deere have? How many did they have at the show?
I don't know if ya'll noticed, but grain prices are down, credit is short = less sales = less advertising $$$.
As for the Axial being a failure... you're so right. AGCO is producing 99% "R" series Gleaners
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While I agree all colors have great machines I would argue your point B. I think Gleaner has a pretty big advantage on the price side of it. Just saw a new Gleaner and a new CaseIh at the Kansas State Fair. Both were Class 7 machines. I could of bought that Gleaner for $40,000 less. That would save me enough to go a long ways toward a new flex draper.
Not true. AGCO does have a new combine, so why not bring it?
I was not at the show, so cannot speak for the lack of combine field demonstrations. Perhaps moisture was too high or ground too muddy. I know Jewell County Kansas has gotten an unusuual amount of rain lately, too. Maybe it reached to south central Nebraska as well.
I was not at the show, so cannot speak for the lack of combine field demonstrations. Perhaps moisture was too high or ground too muddy. I know Jewell County Kansas has gotten an unusuual amount of rain lately, too. Maybe it reached to south central Nebraska as well.
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AGCO had a machine at the FPS in the demos which were a joke due to the 40% corn besides you couldn't get within 50 feet of it anyway. They must have used the money they saved on bringing the machine to the display area on Hooters girls. They get a thumbs up for having hot chicks in tight pants and low cut shirts. This isn't some little farm show its the Super Bowl.
As far as the competition I think there were 2 Deeres in the field demo and 1 in the display area. Case/New H had 2 in the field and 3 in the display area.
As far as going to dealers lots in IL...good luck. My local has a used one, the next one doesn't have one and the next dealers are 80+ miles away. Id drive by at least a half dozen red and green dealers on that trip.
My point is the R series may be the best thing AGCO has going for it why not show it? Yes the newer AGCO tractors are better and the newest ones do look promising, but they haven't proven anything yet. The AGCOstars came out with tons of fanfare and were a bust as did the A series.
And you are corect on prices and credit. Fewer sales will be made, but isn't now the time to aggresively market your product?
Regarding price I can get a 9770 within $5000 of an R76, when we bought 8 years ago that spread was more like $20K. I'm not saying it's better, but the price spread isn't what it used to be. In planter terms we don't even price White anymore because last time they were quite a bit over Deere and Kinze.
As far as the competition I think there were 2 Deeres in the field demo and 1 in the display area. Case/New H had 2 in the field and 3 in the display area.
As far as going to dealers lots in IL...good luck. My local has a used one, the next one doesn't have one and the next dealers are 80+ miles away. Id drive by at least a half dozen red and green dealers on that trip.
My point is the R series may be the best thing AGCO has going for it why not show it? Yes the newer AGCO tractors are better and the newest ones do look promising, but they haven't proven anything yet. The AGCOstars came out with tons of fanfare and were a bust as did the A series.
And you are corect on prices and credit. Fewer sales will be made, but isn't now the time to aggresively market your product?
Regarding price I can get a 9770 within $5000 of an R76, when we bought 8 years ago that spread was more like $20K. I'm not saying it's better, but the price spread isn't what it used to be. In planter terms we don't even price White anymore because last time they were quite a bit over Deere and Kinze.
That's pretty sad, AGCO has to lower itself to models and showgirls to bring attention to their stuff.
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So what's the point of even bring in a new design combine, if farmers or even custom harvesters cannot get right up to it, to see just how it's made, new features and such?
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So what's the point of even bring in a new design combine, if farmers or even custom harvesters cannot get right up to it, to see just how it's made, new features and such?
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Not true. AGCO does have a new combine, so why not bring it?
I was not at the show, so cannot speak for the lack of combine field demonstrations. Perhaps moisture was too high or ground too muddy. I know Jewell County Kansas has gotten an unusuual amount of rain lately, too. Maybe it reached to south central Nebraska as well.
Do you mean the prototype R86, or the prototype conventional over in Europe in MF livery?
Prototypes are just that - prototypes
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In Regina, they had their 'bines (both Massey and Gleaner), two swathers, one of each kind of baler, and a few tractors, from the lawn mowers to the flagship 8680.
How much is floor space worth at FPS? Last I heard all these shows are going WAYYYY up.
AgDays in Brandon doesn't have much of a waiting list this year, for the first time in a few... trying to get a stall for Tenantly this year
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I was not at the show, so cannot speak for the lack of combine field demonstrations. Perhaps moisture was too high or ground too muddy. I know Jewell County Kansas has gotten an unusuual amount of rain lately, too. Maybe it reached to south central Nebraska as well.
Do you mean the prototype R86, or the prototype conventional over in Europe in MF livery?
Prototypes are just that - prototypes
In Regina, they had their 'bines (both Massey and Gleaner), two swathers, one of each kind of baler, and a few tractors, from the lawn mowers to the flagship 8680.
How much is floor space worth at FPS? Last I heard all these shows are going WAYYYY up.
AgDays in Brandon doesn't have much of a waiting list this year, for the first time in a few... trying to get a stall for Tenantly this year
I found it kind of odd that they were trying to display their new flex draper but had no combine to put it on and display it with on the lot. I understand that the tractors are new and they want to put quite a bit of emphasis on them, but each time you have a new combine sitting there that might be the time someone who runs another brand is serious about switching and they want to look at it. Agco missed out on that potential this year.
As for the new cabs on the Agco tractors I ended up quite impressed after having one of the reps give us a rundown on all the features down to the tiniest details that they had going on in the semi van. I liked them, especially over the previous ones, after sitting in the first one. But once they explained everything I became a believer. Theres a few styling cues that I wasn't a huge fan of but those things can be lived with.
As for the new cabs on the Agco tractors I ended up quite impressed after having one of the reps give us a rundown on all the features down to the tiniest details that they had going on in the semi van. I liked them, especially over the previous ones, after sitting in the first one. But once they explained everything I became a believer. Theres a few styling cues that I wasn't a huge fan of but those things can be lived with.
I agree with everything lookingglass said. We are fortunate that our dealer is one of the largest Agco dealers in Ohio, and they handle Gleaner and Massey. They had appreciation dinner last week and had a Maasey and a Gleaner on display plus the new tractors. Agco rep said there would only be one combine in the field next week at the Farm Science Review in Columbus. That is sad. However if the girls are there that's uplifting.
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