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Hi everyone,

I've been trying to find out about installing a positive air shutoff (Roda Deaco Valve) on my 824 Fendt. The dealer we bought the tractor from is a long ways from oil country and really didn't want to get involved in this project as they've had absolutely no experience with this request. Just wondering if anyone has installed one and could share some details.

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I've installed about a hundred of them but never one on a Fendt tractor. What do you need to know? Back when I was installing them they were great to deal with, they are made in Edmonton RodaDeaco by AMOT Diesel Engine Safety Solutions . I saw a positive air shutoff the other day, it was just a little bugger, fit inline just like those inline block heaters you can buy, used a butterfly action I think. Might be made by company in California might be one of these Mitey Titan Industries Inc. - Positive Air Shut Off Valves or these Welcome to Diesel Tech Industries . I've never heard of someone actually using one for it's intended purpose, I had to rescue several trucks that cutout with the automatic version because the operator blew a shift, usually in the middle of an intersection. They can be a headache...
 

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Like Offroad, I've installed numerous ones of them myself, several of the last ones were a different make other than Roda, basically were some kind of copy still utilizing the swinging hockey puck type valve. The newer ones available now are electric controlled, these are the ones Offroad referred to having the butteryfly valve, and are much more compact. Brother showed me his on his new vac truck he rigged up, have to admit, those newer ones are pretty slick compared to the older Roda.

As far as installing it, it is desired to install it in the intake air stream as close as possible to the intake manifold, preferably right before it. The idea being, if and when it is tripped, any hoses between it and the manifold are going to be collapsing, and it is possible even when clamped properly to pull a hose right off, rendering the system useless. There is incredible suction created when activated at high speed. Any I installed, most the air valve or cable to activate it, was installed as that it could be reached from the ground reaching thru the door. Not sure if this is an actual requirement or not, but its a good idea IMO.

I have never actually had to use one for its intended purpose, used to be commonplace to have demonstrate you had one and actually prove it worked when first pulling on a lease. As mentioned, the older ones were known to occasionally trip, usually with the unintentional help of the driver, I couldn't say how many times I got called out to travel to a dead truck on the side of the highway, tip the hood, reach up in the dark and pull the lever till it clicked then tell the driver "try it now". Guess that says something about the caliber of the modern truck driver:rolleyes:
 

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I've installed about a hundred of them but never one on a Fendt tractor. What do you need to know? Back when I was installing them they were great to deal with, they are made in Edmonton RodaDeaco by AMOT Diesel Engine Safety Solutions . I saw a positive air shutoff the other day, it was just a little bugger, fit inline just like those inline block heaters you can buy, used a butterfly action I think. Might be made by company in California might be one of these Mitey Titan Industries Inc. - Positive Air Shut Off Valves or these Welcome to Diesel Tech Industries . I've never heard of someone actually using one for it's intended purpose, I had to rescue several trucks that cutout with the automatic version because the operator blew a shift, usually in the middle of an intersection. They can be a headache...
I was just wondering if it could be done. It seems awfully compact right beside the intake manifold.
 

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I was just wondering if it could be done. It seems awfully compact right beside the intake manifold.
I don't think you need to over think it too much, did you or your dealer actually check with Fendt? They may have done it themselves or know of someone who did. I'd have to open the hood and have a look, I wouldn't be too concerned about having it right up against the intake. As long as you can demonstrate it works at idle that's all you need, plus it creates a vacuum, your not going to blow hoses off between it and the engine. It's interesting they don't make a cutout that breaks the ignition circuit a second or so before the valve trips.
Chances are if something blows up on lease while your there the last thing on your mind will be killing your engine with the positive air shutoff. You will be using your CVT to the max to get the **** out of there... Unless your the one parked on top of the wellhead of course :(.
 

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It's interesting they don't make a cutout that breaks the ignition circuit a second or so before the valve .
Having a little trouble wrapping my head around that concept. The only "ignition circuit" in a diesel is fuel delivery and the point of a PAS is to stop an engine that is getting an outside fuel source so shutting off the inside fuel source would be moot it seems to me. The key is to shut the air off ASAP before the engine gains too much RPM.
 

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Having a little trouble wrapping my head around that concept. The only "ignition circuit" in a diesel is fuel delivery and the point of a PAS is to stop an engine that is getting an outside fuel source so shutting off the inside fuel source would be moot it seems to me. The key is to shut the air off ASAP before the engine gains too much RPM.
Ignition power... shut the fuel down first so you don't suck everything together. I for one will be well into overspeed before I think to trip the PAS being I've only been around them twenty years and have never been anywhere near a situation where I've actually had to use one. Chances are shutting the ignition source off will shut it down anyway.All engines that run on natural gas require spark plugs so my thought is it is the diesel that is acting as the ignition source (spark plug) causing the gas to ignite.
 

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Road deaco makes a butterfly inline style with electric trip. They make them right down to 1" diameter. I have installed many. The last one I installed was on a new Kubota skid steer with a regen canister stuffed inside on top of the engine. There was not an extra room. They actually built some special pipe adapters with some fancy bends in to make it fit. At the time they were working on a new style swinging puck style that was very compact. If I remember correctly on the butterfly style you only needed about 4-6" of straight pipe to put it in depending of course on pipe diameter. I would phone Roda first. I don't think there isn't much they haven't put their kits on.
 

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I should say the swinging ones only need about 4-6" of straight pipe as well but typically the body is a lot larger. If it works mount it directly to the intake to get a good mount so they shake and vibrate around to much
 

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I don't think you need to over think it too much, did you or your dealer actually check with Fendt? They may have done it themselves or know of someone who did. I'd have to open the hood and have a look, I wouldn't be too concerned about having it right up against the intake. As long as you can demonstrate it works at idle that's all you need, plus it creates a vacuum, your not going to blow hoses off between it and the engine. It's interesting they don't make a cutout that breaks the ignition circuit a second or so before the valve trips.
Chances are if something blows up on lease while your there the last thing on your mind will be killing your engine with the positive air shutoff. You will be using your CVT to the max to get the **** out of there... Unless your the one parked on top of the wellhead of course :(.
Two fendt dealers that I checked with knew absolutely nothing about them and didn't have much interest in looking in to it. Oh well should be able to figure it out with one of the companies listed in this thread.
 
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