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How's everyone coming on propane? We've just approached critical levels here. If no transports my supplier is out noon tomorrow. Others ran out yesterday and one's been out 6 days, further into NE Iowa its longer with no relief.

Hours of service restrictions lifted on all propane trucks, pipe lines are too small and terminal in Des Moines just closed for maintenance (yeah really). A lot of corn to harvest in the midwest at above average moisture.

Was just curious on others scenarios.
 

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Make sure the town folk can get their BBQ tanks re-filled fort the weekend, that would be a crisis situation if that ever happened...lol

If you get stopped up feel free to come North and sit in the dryer shack and burn some gas, the tap is always on! :wink:

Seriously though, there is obviously a lot more drying this fall than normal and maybe ever, no surprise there would be a shortage. I sense this will be what happens around here next spring with NH3 since nobody got any fertilizer on before freeze-up.
 

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We had the NH3 debacle last spring. Could not keep it coming, allocated 2 tanks, 6 hour lines waiting to get filled. Fortunately I use very little, most my nitrogen comes out a hogs rear.

My propane supplier has transports coming out of Olathe, Kansas I believe. Don;t know how many or when they show. We're going to get shut off at some point its just a matter of time. I need a week to get done, was hoping to make it but doesn't look promising. Like standing on the trap door with the rope around your neck.
 

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Like standing on the trap door with the rope around your neck.
C'mon, you are sounding like a drama queen now.:rolleyes:

Just gonna start corn harvest next week. If I add up mine plus all the custom work I have been asked to do we should be wrapped up sometime.....around.....Christmas! Okay, maybe Valentines day.:frown:
 

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Give me some credit for sarcasm! I wasn't exactly implying death just making the correlation that you know what's coming just not sure when.

I can be far more dramatic if needed!
 

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Well, it is not due to a supply shortage. Earlier this summer producers were paying midstream processors to take their propane, there was such a glut, not just nat gas, but propane. I also learned the wholesale price of propane today, the trucking to your yard is worth considerably more than the product in the truck.
 

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There's lots going out as my one delivery driver said they exceeded their quota at the refinery and he had to wait 2 hrs to get approval to load.

No issues getting any here but I can see the flare stack from a fair sized gas plant and a dozen pumpjacks from my dryer.

At least it's a little more reasonable $ this year. $.33 /L.
 

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Last yr Saskatchewan ran out. Guys that had contracts with Coop had 2 week waits minimum. Wheelers here never ran out. Sent trucks to alberta to pick up propane. 58 cents/L last fall and was glad to get it. Not out yet here that I am aware of but I cant imagine there not being a shortage soon. Started at 38-44 cents here this yr. Havent paid my bill yet but know from my parents paying theirs 3.1 cents on top went to Trudeau the wreckless spender.
 

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Havent paid my bill yet but know from my parents paying theirs 3.1 cents on top went to Trudeau the wreckless spender.
That's nothing, extra 19.X% on my natural gas bill for "Federal Carbon Charge"...:rolleyes:
 

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I know more guys are drying more %points but this wasn't expected??? I cant say I was expecting super dry corn after this summer(if you could call it that)... got lucky n chopped most of the later corn and early corn was 17%. Used under 1000gal I had on hand so that was one time I did somthing right I guess...
 

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"3.1 cents on top went to Trudeau"
Just in case the American fellow farmers are not clear on that comment, we have a wonderful liberal "carbon" read C02 tax in order to make the "climate" world wide, COLDER! Is it working? You bet coldest year, longest growing season in a long time here.
Everything I hear on CNN suggests Democrats are all on board to TAX the H*LL out of you also for using any fuels.
 

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"3.1 cents on top went to Trudeau"
Just in case the American fellow farmers are not clear on that comment, we have a wonderful liberal "carbon" read C02 tax in order to make the "climate" world wide, COLDER! Is it working? You bet coldest year, longest growing season in a long time here.
Everything I hear on CNN suggests Democrats are all on board to TAX the H*LL out of you also for using any fuels.
The best part is of whole thing is someone with a greenhouse growing pot for those liberals is exempt from carbon tax. Just us dump farmers growing food to feed these idiots that pay carbon tax. Only a liberal could dream this much stupid up.
 

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That's nice dumbfarmer, looks like that's true about a 80% carbon tax break granted to Ontario pot growers by CRA to match Alberta and BC in this article. What's also interesting is fewer fruits and vegetables are being grown so pot can be. Good old government. I wonder what the Social Justice Warriors say about pot for food swaps. Interesting article, even says BC had its coldest March ever recorded last year with costing on natural gas mentioned. Go figure. Hottest year ever apparently.



Cannabis clouds competitiveness of greenhouse vegetable sector | Grower


But, as for wishing for the urban dwellers to experience a shortage in heating fuel looks like that is coming next week. Good old global warming. Almost looks like a cold air mass is flooding from the north and compressing the air in south west driving up temps. I wonder if that happens elsewhere on the planet everytime we hear how hot it is somewhere.



https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/brutally-cold-air-mass-set-unleash-snow-over-northeast-next-week
 

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For years now I have looked at trying to set up large storage tanks on farm for NH3 and it would work the same for propane. There are big used tanks for sale for $10, 20, 30,000 and I priced a new one built at a shop 6 miles from the farm for about $50,000. IIRC that was about a 80MT tank that would have come close to my needs for a year and I could fill my 3,000 gal field tank too. If I could fill this tank in the off season when there was a surplus of NH3 it was about $200 a MT as opposed to $800-1000 in prime time. It sounds like propane for drying is priced on a similar surplus/ demand swing and would give you about a 2 year payback on setting up on farm tanks. I was at a large farm in South Dakota this summer that had 5- 35,000 propane storage tanks (old rail cars) that they fill in the summer when propane is in surplus for a fraction of the cost compared to now in peak season. It all looked feasible and made economic sense until I looked at the regulations and BS red tape. That makes almost everything in this country cost prohibitive. Except growing pot for the liberals! What about getting some exemption for farmers in Canada to be competitive with other countries lower cost structure in order to be competitive. I realize that is not the trend but something has to give here.
 

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That's nothing, extra 19.X% on my natural gas bill for "Federal Carbon Charge"...:rolleyes:

So what does that make your total cost per liter or BTU? Must make it almost similar to propane would it not?
 

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That's nothing, extra 19.X% on my natural gas bill for "Federal Carbon Charge"...:rolleyes:
The best part is of whole thing is someone with a greenhouse growing pot for those liberals is exempt from carbon tax. Just us dump farmers growing food to feed these idiots that pay carbon tax. Only a liberal could dream this much stupid up.

In the eyes of a Liberal, that is probably a benefit to all us farmers anyway. The more people smoking pot, the more people with the munchies!
 

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I know more guys are drying more %points but this wasn't expected??? I cant say I was expecting super dry corn after this summer(if you could call it that)... got lucky n chopped most of the later corn and early corn was 17%. Used under 1000gal I had on hand so that was one time I did somthing right I guess...
How did you find corn under 17%? Driest anyone here has hit is 19%. Dealing with a lot of bushels (in my immediate area we're fortunate) at higher moistures is straining the system.
 
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