[skdmax]

Hey guys thinking about switching to a tracked tractor. Wondering people's experiences good, bad and otherwise with case quad tracks and also Versatile delta tracks? Any insight greatly appreciated

 

[SWFarmService]

Versatile gets my vote for the undercarriage suspension and Cummins power + a smooth shifting Cat tranny

 

[meritmat]

and 80k less

 

[w-mFarms]

I thought the case was smoother on the road

 

[lexion74]

Versatile gets my vote for the undercarriage suspension and Cummins power + a smooth shifting Cat tranny

It has an undercarriage suspension? Sure wouldn't know it if you ever have to go accross the seed rows. Desperately needs cab suspension. The shift between 4&5 is terrible. Neighbour says his is smooth but versatile tells me it should be rough. Wtf?

 

[bjtjjl]

The delta track looks good, would love to try one. Can looks very clean and simple with lots of room. As long as there is dealer support I think we will start seeing more in the field. Correct me if I'm wrong but they don't run DEF do they?

 

[Jason Hildebrand]

Versatile gets my vote for the undercarriage suspension

It has zero suspension

The bogies have two way oscillation, front to back and side to side. They don't have a bogie directly below the pivot like Case which helps the ride, but still not suspension.

 

[85farmer]

I was told the other day that cab suspension will be an option or is now so it'll be here before u know it

 

[SWFarmService]

That tandem and osculation is suspension, it greatly improves ride.

My dad has an 865b and we love the grunt and the shifting

I finally got my 500 quad sold, it had an insanely impressive cab suspension but I fear the jolts the tractor will leave some sort of damage later, the design of the delta is similar to the challenger with the tandems, if you don't believe me drive each of them over a 2x4 and see what ya think.

We did not like the slow shifting of the case or its lack of power and love for fuel and def.

I am looking into an older versy with power shift to soup up, maybe a 9380 quad, they tell me the Delta has good lease deals, I didn't have a huge pile of money paid on the quad and with low prices I am not sure what I will do yet but we don't miss the quad

 

[SWFarmService]

I should maybe not say smooth, its not ruff IMO, it could be a bit faster for my liking but when the quad under good load comes to a stop between some gears, than shifts and either kills the tractor or shifts to neutral. What's smooth about that?

 

[Don Boles]

It has zero suspension

The bogies have two way oscillation, front to back and side to side. They don't have a bogie directly below the pivot like Case which helps the ride, but still not suspension.

I wonder if Claas is considering putting the far and away smoothest riding TT track system off the combine on a tractor?
In studying the geometry on a TT I suspect it is intended much more for flotation than high draft.
SWAG.

I know Trochu Motors has moved a few Delta tracks and sounds like they are working well.
Quite a few Quadtracks around as well as Deere, two track of course.

 

[lynas]

That tandem and osculation is suspension, it greatly improves ride.

My dad has an 865b and we love the grunt and the shifting

I finally got my 500 quad sold, it had an insanely impressive cab suspension but I fear the jolts the tractor will leave some sort of damage later, the design of the delta is similar to the challenger with the tandems, if you don't believe me drive each of them over a 2x4 and see what ya think.

We did not like the slow shifting of the case or its lack of power and love for fuel and def.

I am looking into an older versy with power shift to soup up, maybe a 9380 quad, they tell me the Delta has good lease deals, I didn't have a huge pile of money paid on the quad and with low prices I am not sure what I will do yet but we don't miss the quad

Interested in why you would consider a 9380 Quad, SW?
A 9380 anything would be modern for me! That or a 9280 wheeled may be my next upgrade.:54:

 

[SWFarmService]

Interested in why you would consider a 9380 Quad, SW?
A 9380 anything would be modern for me! That or a 9280 wheeled may be my next upgrade.:54:

Back before dad purchased the 865b we had a 9380 on tires with an upgraded N14 running 525-550 HP, it was originally running a scraper, we ran it to 16,000hrs, it really earned its keep on the farm, only simple break downs such as starters and alternators, few small electrical probs, and some u-joints.

We were only using the quad on the planter briefly as when the challenger was done on the seeder my brother witch does most of the tractor diving refused to drive the quad. We also used it on the turbo till but the quad tracks fill up with mud so bad, maybe cause it has 30" belts vs the 36" on dads

We all miss the fast shifts that the 9380 had, most call them ruff but I love quick positive engagement, we miss the lack of electronics," no nonsense beepers and buzzers". We liked it on the grain cart a lot, I think we could put a suspension on the cab to make the ride tolerable, some of these same qualities is why I am also interested in like a 976 versy, not exactly sure what I want to do yet, kind of want to drag it out till harvest time to see how things go, I do feel a bit of a burden off my shoulders with out the payments with these poor prices.

 

[lynas]

Back before dad purchased the 865b we had a 9380 on tires with an upgraded N14 running 525-550 HP, it was originally running a scraper, we ran it to 16,000hrs, it really earned its keep on the farm, only simple break downs such as starters and alternators, few small electrical probs, and some u-joints.

We were only using the quad on the planter briefly as when the challenger was done on the seeder my brother witch does most of the tractor diving refused to drive the quad. We also used it on the turbo till but the quad tracks fill up with mud so bad, maybe cause it has 30" belts vs the 36" on dads

We all miss the fast shifts that the 9380 had, most call them ruff but I love quick positive engagement, we miss the lack of electronics," no nonsense beepers and buzzers". We liked it on the grain cart a lot, I think we could put a suspension on the cab to make the ride tolerable, some of these same qualities is why I am also interested in like a 976 versy, not exactly sure what I want to do yet, kind of want to drag it out till harvest time to see how things go, I do feel a bit of a burden off my shoulders with out the payments with these poor prices.

Interesting!
I agree. All those bells and whistles increase your overheads!
We`re definitely old school here, because we have a large land mortgage to pay down, and we think we have the recipe to do that!...which involves the KISS principle.

 

[KLAJB]

Delta works great for us. I can guarantee if you sat in both and drove both you would like the Case better but a 80-100k price difference made our choice very simple. Cab suspension would be biggest difference.

 

[Don Boles]

Delta works great for us. I can guarantee if you sat in both and drove both you would like the Case better but a 80-100k price difference made our choice very simple. Cab suspension would be biggest difference.

That's a comparatively simple (other than meeting ROP structure regs) and relatively cheap addition, one would hope they would consider it.
Maybe the aftermarket isn't far behind.

 

[wavesofgrain]

Just priced a 2014 Quad 500 with a few demo hrs on it. Local dealer wants 387k before trade, any ideas on what the Versy would cost? The Case is overpriced already. We are just starting to see the 550DT's show up on lots here. I've currently got a 485Q and am curious.

 

[8850jd]

The old iron is still cheaper then tractor payments... That and farm lending has tightened a lot...

The reason alone to go with the versy, is engine displacement..

 

[SWMan]

We did not like the slow shifting of the case or its lack of power and love for fuel and def.

Do you have a direct comparison between the two units on fuel use? I have a 965C as well as tons of experience with the Iveco engines but I have not got a feel for fuel consumption yet. There is simply no comparison between the engines as far as pulling power though.

My concern would be the after-treatment on the Cummins in the Versatile, have they been giving any issues? Cummins are known to like their fuel too. Very hard to ignore the price difference though because a tractor is really just a tractor.

 

[SWFarmService]

Its kind of an interesting deal, because you run both totally different to accomplish the same thing, we run the quad at around 1900 rpms just to keep it from kicking back to neutral as we were running 100-105% power all day long.

The Challenger rolls right along 70-75% HP at 1400 rpm.

This is on the same planter, nothing diff, in fact it is the twin row in the avatar pic, don't let it fool ya it is a big hard pulling machine.

The yellow one averages "according to my fuel pump even tho both are surprisingly close on their monitors, the red one reads low" .7-.8 per acre, the red one burns 1-1.1 plus def on top of that, I do believe the red one will eventually do better because it only had 245 hrs on it when it left the farm so I am sure there would be an improvement after some more break in time.

Hope this info helps