[casefarmer]

Re: replacing 1460s

I would say a 2388 and a draper head

but you don't want to lose a arm and leg

i would think overall with a 2388 and a 1020 30ft head

you would maybe not do as much but close....

 

[casefarmer]

Re: replacing 1460s

I don't know why to stay away from a 2188

we bought one in 96 and used them untill the 23's came out

Same electronics and cabs.....(which are best in class)

Heck you walk up to a 14 series or 23 series its all pretty much the same....(for the most part)

So we had great luck with the 21's......

Plus it might be a good deal....

 

[casefarmer]

Re: replacing 1460s

And its been a while....since weve ran them but id suspect it would be like any combine with its age...

I do admitt one problem weve had with every combine except the last 2 years is the computer brain would fry

So they would have to bring out a new one and replace it.

Maybe we were just lucky

All i know is the 21's are so much nicer (especially cab wise) over a 14,16 you would be very satisfied

hope it works out for you

 

[casefarmer]

Re: replacing 1460s

everything went to heck lol

i can't remember honestly...its been 2-3 years

but the service guy knew pretty quick

just take the box out and they replaced with a new brain

 

[anteater6788]

Re: replacing 1460s

I think a 2388 would easily run with two 1460's. We have a 2366 with a 25' Harvestmore flex head and can cut almost as much as we could with a 1440 and a 1460. One day this fall we cut 7,500 bushel of beans and had field averages of over 700 bph and these weren't easy cutting beans. For us running one bigger combine with a grain cart is just as productive as running two smaller combines without the cart and it's easier too.

 

[casefarmer]

Re: replacing 1460s

Especially if you could invest in a 36ft draper head on a 2388

then i would probably guarantee it would do as much

(just my opinion)

im hopeing to get one of those this harvest

(smiles)

 

[jp]

Re: replacing 1460s

As others have said, a 2388 with a 30' flex or a 30' or 36' flexdraper would handle 1700 acres of soybeans without a problem. I've seen many more acres of this crop shoved through one of them without a problem. Which header is best depends on the majority of the terrain, mostly flat draper works well, if you have lots of hills, terraces, or the like stick with the flex auger head. The flexdraper will follow the ground, but not quite as well as a true flex auger header.

Shoot for one equipped with the AFX rotor since the primary crop is soybeans, it'll be the best suited rotor for this. I would suggest going with a 2002 model year or newer to gain the belt engage seperator as well as having the good hydraulic reverser as opposed to the electric.

If you shop around you should be able to find a good deal that can be swung.

 

[jp]

Re: replacing 1460s

Quote:sounds like a good deal regarding them oddball numbers up there, ive heard of 21s having a bit of wireing problems and a few annoyances that didnt get worked out right by the time they were in the feild, plus they were short lived.

but you have run them and all im squakin is hearsay..so...
i know ive been lookin at them for a year or so.

There is some truth to that, the early 1995 models did experience some issues with the new electrical system when the 2100s came out, but by now those issues would have been sorted out in those model years. The 1996 and 97 models had these issues sorted out from the factory.

I wouldn't shy away from the 2100s for being short lived. The guts of them are identical to the 1644/66/88s, the 2100s just gave you the new hydraulic system, cab, and a few other odds and ends, all of which carried on through to the 2300s that came out in 98.

 

[casefarmer]

Re: replacing 1460s

Also...03 was when they started the AFX Rotors.....

Also that hydralic reverser isn't too bad of a deal.

We commonly only have one problem with them over a 4 year span and its known pretty well threw the case dealer so they keep the part on hand

(i can't be more detailed cause ive never had it mess up with the combine i use)


But for the most part its fullproof

 

[combiness]

Re: replacing 1460s

I agree with Cropcutter. The electrical issues were solved within the first year or so of the 2100 Series. After al, it was an improvement over the 1600's in electronics and ergonomics, not a complete new design. Yes, that does go for the separator innards, too.

It's my opinion, more people stay away from the 2100's for the same reason they avoid the 1600's. They are simply an older edition, and many want to stay more current, especially to tailor their finances, loans or whatever. It does not mean the 2100's are flawed by any means.

Overall, after just shy of 30 full years, I look at our Axial-Flows as not only an outstanding design, but an industry standard. Say what you will about an "aging" design or style, but as I keep saying, "Don't fix what's not broke."

Really, instead of the new design [8010], I'd have rather just seen a bigger Axial-Flow, putting the same old, reliable design to the field, with as much more capacity as the 2388 has over the 2366.

 

[casefarmer]

Re: replacing 1460s

Plowmaster....

(A BUNCH)


Simpler and better contorls for the head tilt and ect..ect..ect

Im not sure if there are more hose's or less...so i won't state that

maybe someone else would

I promise you would lost a 21...from what your in

 

[jp]

Re: replacing 1460s

Quote:not to good with computer stuff hope this does what I want.
Age of a machine is not all that important to me Although the condition is.
with that said what do you think of a good 1680- 2188
instead of a 2388? grabon

Personally, with the 88 size machines, if I couldn't have a fairly late model 2388 (2002 or newer), I would have to say the best bang for the buck is the 1688. You have the guts of the 2X88s in a somewhat simplier package. Granted you are giving up some creature comforts, but those cabs aren't all that bad. Hydraulic system isn't quite as updated so you have a few disadvantages there, but overall you have the power and all that to have a pretty productive machine at a good price. Electrical system is still the same as the 1680s, so no new learning curve there, though as much as some people complain the 2300s is very easy to trace and understand.

There are quite a few people out there that call the 1688 their favorite Axial Flow of them all, even while operating a 2388. It'll handle a 30' flexhead with ease.

 

[jp]

Re: replacing 1460s

plowmaster and casefarmer, differences in the hydraulic system mainly come from the addition of a PFC pump. It runs the header functions, unload auger swing, steering cylinders, and header lift. The gear pump handles the brakes (BIG difference there over 1600s as anyone operating both can attest to, multi-disk oil bath), unload/feeder engagement, and reel drive circuits. The PFC pump addition makes all the circuits off of it much more responsive from my experiences with it.

As for hoses and that, there are some different componants, but I wouldn't say its anymore complicated to work with if you have any hydraulics knowledge at all. There are a few more solenoids to control the circuits, but no biggies there.

 

[casefarmer]

Re: replacing 1460s

Thanks for the information on the differences

and yeah if you went with a 1688 over a 2188 id say you would be giving up alot of creature comforts and some very handy features

Just got find you a nice 2188.....get the hopper extensions and also.....im glad people are happy with there 1688

But I don't know how in the world it could be any better than a 2388 with the afx

(scratches head)

but thats just me

(don't take that the personall or the wrong way)

As long as they have the good combeins i could care less what model they have

pretty much all the same anyway

(thankfully)

 

[casefarmer]

Re: replacing 1460s

yeah....you do.....But its also very important (some years more than others)

To get everything done ASAP

Because you never know when that rain's going to his and you are looking at several hundred acres of down corn already that could go to crap

And it is alot for us to ask but we all want a combine that will get us threw harves with just 3-4 small break downs if any

Thats why its so important to us and why we are so critical

also thats why we stay with case...

We just have great luck with them