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We are running 2 9860's and 2 9750's this year and some of the drivers, myself included, are having trouble with the switchs for header and reel raise and lower being opposite between the two models... Is there any way that we can reverse the switch so that all four machines are the same.. I'm terrified that someone is going to push a front into the ground... A few ideas have been floated.. I.E. Swapping the wires on the solonoid or swapping the hoses on the lft rams.

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That is a pita, Lexion and MacDon swathers are backwards to one another
even the reel fore and aft and header tilt are reversed.

Won't be next year!

MacDon and your 9860's have it right.
The Lex is like your 9750's.
You can't reverse hoses on one way circuits.
When your raise the header/reel 2 solenoids are active, for down only 1.
Wonder if Deere offers a change-up circuit board for the hydro handle?

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What about swapping the solonoids on the valve stack? Move the up to down, down to up.
 

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The mech. we worked with has done this.

So it doesn't affect anything else... The 1,2,3 buttons was a concern... We thought that they would still be the same and would want operate the old way, but we didn't know if they worked off the reading on the corner post, which comes from a seperate switch...

We're starting to get too close to having to start, so it may not happen this harvest anyway, but thanks for the replies guys..
 

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if you swap the solenoids and use any automatic header functions, they will operate backward, since the combine will command up and the up solenoid is on the down valve, header will go down. if you don't use any of the automtic functions you will be fine.
 

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It looks like the Multifunction Handle connector wire pins can be changed, but will that also make the Active Header work, looking at the schematic i would think the pins will need to be changed also, we are talking about controlers that need to tell each one what to do, John Deere will not do this because if a 50 series is made to work like a 60 and something happens then can they be liable for that and the dealer.
 

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Are you 100% about that? It's going to move the correct solenoid, but it will be connected to the other side of the hydraulic circuit from what the factory had it.

I'm no JD tech, just a thought a friend and I came up with one day. Neither one of us has actually tried it yet.
 

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The john deere people who decided to flip the directions between the 50 and 60 series are morons. At least it will be easy to go from a 50 series into a CIH X010 or X120, as the buttons are the same.

Then jd turned the same morons loose on the 8000 tractors. Where the park is on the right side of the shift handle on my 8100, my 8430 reverse is on the right, and park is on the left.

Somebody could very easily get killed over that change in the tractors. I just hope it isn't anyone I know.
 

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The 8100 is a power shift and the 8430 is a IVT, two different transmissions and different shifter levers and then when you also have the left hand reverser for the IVT. Anybody that is operating that machine needs to know it.
 

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Good news for you.
Lexion's also run those pita backwards logic controls.
Deere switched controls in order to meet an international "standard" of some sort. A move I salute Deere for.
Except there doesn't seem be any "standard".
CIH, Lexion down is up logic.
Deere, New Holland, and pretty well everyone else, up is up logic.
I going to guess you've run Deere all along in which case their controls were always backwards
ever since mechanical controls were changed to electric controls until 60 series.
So what's the solution?
It's pretty obvious that they are not going to keep both of us happy through standardization.
Let us program our own controls? Certainly doable technically.
Can't see them allowing that, they either want it one way or the other.
How about controls set to your preference but matched to an eye scan?
Also doable but adds complexity and expense.
Or you could adjust to a logical control standard.
Hey your a Deere guy!
You can do it.

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Sure, I understand the differences on the transmissions, and also the combines. But control changes should never be as slight as these two instances but as major in function.

The entire joystick for the 60 series should have been redesigned. It would have been a simple task. The differences didn't need to be major, but should have been sufficiently large that someone would instantly know which machine they are in just by gripping the joystick. And if the raise function was changed to agree with some international standard, why isn't everyone following it?

My opinion on the tractor shift transmission is the same. The seat, control arm, and side dash are virtually identical. Why would you change something as important as park location from back and right to back and left? There are very few other clues as to which machine one is in, although the change is much greater than the operators station on the 50/60 series combine.

motram, sure the operator should know it. But thousands of hours of seat time on one machine and the muscle memory training that goes with it suddenly doesn't disappear when one steps into the other machine. And retraining is made even worse when one currently changes from one machine to the other regularly. How efficient would you be as a mechanic if suddenly all bolts on a new machine were left hand thread? Now add in the confusion of working on two machines at the same time, and have the service manager asking you to hurry up. Do you think you can do the job without ever turning a nut the wrong direction?

I'm sorry, if you must stop and think about what you are doing each time before you operate the controls, you will never become a proficient operator.

While I don't have personal experience with them, I have been told there are hydraulic excavators that have programmable controls to mimic one manufacturers control layout experience VS another. If it can be done in the construction equipment industry, why can't it be done with farm equipment?

deere makes much of its buyer loyalty. One reason for that loyalty is familiarity of operating controls. If you hop from any one machine to another, you expect a certain similarity of control layout. And for the most part, it exists. But in both these instances jd makes very small in layout but large in function and safety changes.

IMHO, jd screwed up big time in both these instances.
 
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