[jagfarms]

We seeded some Bin run 46A76 canola. We got the seed treated with some Helix extra. We used a seeding rate of 5.5 pounds per acre. Most of this canola we applied 52 pounds of 14-36-0-7 fertilzer with the seed and 104 pounds of 41-0-0-4 fertilzer in the mid row. One field we applied a higher rate of 66 pounds with the seed and 170 pound in the mid row of the the same blends we used at the lower rate.


We also seeded some Canterra 1990 canola at a seeding rate of 5 pounds per acre. We applied 60 pounds 14-36-0-7 fertilizer with the seed and 140 pounds of 41-0-0-4 fertilzer in the midrow.

At this time the Canterra 1990 is looking a little bit better. The canterra 1990 got 3/10ths of rain about 2 weeks ago and the bin run canola did not get any of that rain.

We are getting a nice soaker now so it should get it all going nicely.

Any predictions on how the the the bin run seed will compare?

We got a couple of mini bulk bags of seed this spring and I was told by a few people the best thing i could do is put it in a hole and burn it.

I am not expecting it to yield as good as the 1990 but I am curious to see how much less it will be.

A lot less risk as my cost for seed was $4 pound including treatment.

 

[wetfarmer]

I didnt think you could get helix extra applied by anybody? Who did that ? Where do you live ? I used to grow that variety and I remember it being pretty good. I predict that if it rains too much and destroys your canola , you will lose a lot less money on your bin run.
I predict that if its a great season you will wish you had burnt the 46a76 in your stove. And then there are all the scenarios in between that are harder to predict.

 

[hondaman]

I would like to see you do a trial, and put the money you saved on seed toward extra fertilizer on a portion of that field and see how things would compare. Then one would know whether to spend the extra money on seed, fertilizer, or keep it in your pocket.

 

[chrisk1500]

Where did you get the helix???

We seeded some conventional bin run canola and couldn't get treatment for it anywhere. We just cranked up the seeding rate and might have to spray for bugs here shortly.

 

[Dwf1990]

How does bin run canola seed grow? I heard there was a terminator gene in them that cuts the germination down? Or is that only for roundup or liberty canola?

 

[nig71]

We grow bin run TT canola all the time in Australia. As long as it is not a hybrid you should be fine. Perfectly legal on all but GM crops. I am told the hybrid will also grow but at a penalty to previous generation. Volunteer canola seems to do fine. I mix my chemical up in a mix all and it gives it great coverage on the seed.

 

[mark 1056]

be carfull lotsa big brothers on here very risky to do unless you have paid the tua

 

[BrianTee]

why didn't you give them both the same fertility?

 

[jagfarms]

"Plant Breeders' Rights protection on '46A76' was
surrendered on February 19, 2009 making it a
publicly available variety under the PBR Act.

 

[jagfarms]

I had manure spread on the land where the Canterra 1990 was seeded as well I fogot to mention. That is why I seeded a RR variety there for weed control. It would have been better if I would have used the same fert on both varieties and have a side by side comparison on the same field.

The bin run seed is about 2.5 miles away from the Cantarra 1990 both seeded in heavy clay land and I have some more bin run seeded 20 miles away in some lighter land.

 

[torriem]

How does bin run canola seed grow? I heard there was a terminator gene in them that cuts the germination down? Or is that only for roundup or liberty canola?

I've never heard of this. I didn't think there were any varieties of any crop that had a terminator gene in them on the market.

I do know that many plant hybrids lose their hybrid traits after a generation. This has nothing to do with a terminator gene, but more to do with plant genetics. Plants tend to express some traits in a cross for one generation, then subsequent generations revert to a parent genotype. If one of the lost traits was chemical resistance, they would die under spraying, obviously. I'm sure vigor is one trait that could suffer in subsequent generations, which would cut down germination. This whole thing is why hybrid seed production is such lucrative business. They have to be produced from parent foundation seed lines each and every year.

I can't speak for any of the roundup-ready varieties, but I know many of the LibertyLink varieties don't lose their Liberty resistance, but they might lose other traits like growing height. This is in part why Bayer makes people sign agreements when buying the seed to not replant it, and will continue to do so even after the patents expire.

 

[rareearth]

I hope we can have pulse crop hybrids soon. Yes they don't multiply seed as quick, but we wouldn't be exporting the research dollars of ours diminishing competitive advantages we are investing in and paying for.

 

[nhinoz]

Hey Nig, how many years have you grown bin run seed. I've done it this year with TT Gem but not sure whether I'd be game to keep seed from this crop.
Big saving on seed cost. I got it graded and treated with Gaucho and Jockey for about $4/kg and would have cost somewhere around $15/kg for new seed.
I increased the sowing rate a little but looking at plant pop. don't think I needed to.
With the amount of new varieties coming out I guess it's not really necessary to keep your own seed for many years in a row anyway. Always seems to be a better one in the trials!!

 

[farmer two bob]

Hey Nig, how many years have you grown bin run seed. I've done it this year with TT Gem but not sure whether I'd be game to keep seed from this crop.
Big saving on seed cost. I got it graded and treated with Gaucho and Jockey for about $4/kg and would have cost somewhere around $15/kg for new seed.
I increased the sowing rate a little but looking at plant pop. don't think I needed to.
With the amount of new varieties coming out I guess it's not really necessary to keep your own seed for many years in a row anyway. Always seems to be a better one in the trials!!

Have been using bin run seed for 20 years now, just be sure to keep it off new bought seed each year. This also gives you a better idea about the new variety before you sow it over the whole area. Have often sown a new variety as a seed block but after seeing it fall flat while the other old one stands perfect, needless to say the new one never was used.
I am always interested to see if I can pick a yield difference between the bought seed and the bin run seed on the yield maps,have not been able to do it yet.

 

[nig71]

Hey Nig, how many years have you grown bin run seed. I've done it this year with TT Gem but not sure whether I'd be game to keep seed from this crop.
Big saving on seed cost. I got it graded and treated with Gaucho and Jockey for about $4/kg and would have cost somewhere around $15/kg for new seed.
I increased the sowing rate a little but looking at plant pop. don't think I needed to.
With the amount of new varieties coming out I guess it's not really necessary to keep your own seed for many years in a row anyway. Always seems to be a better one in the trials!!

I would probably only grow a seed line from a seed line plus one. The first bulk up I would try to get two seasons supply from that line. I would do it once more but I haven't . Generally the lines don't seem to last too long. I would only buy a maximum of four bags to get a good look at a line. Sad thing is this years bulk up never happened because the planned paddock I never got into because of the Cadiz vine. The contractor never got to doing the seed line which was only 25kg big.