Just been thinking about buying a second air tank... Priced out a 550 John Deere 1910 cart but really dislike the tank configuration for seeding Canola. I'm thinking if I can pick up a tow between for a fraction of the price and be able to use one tank specifically for urea and use our tow behind for what we use it for now. Has anyone done this? We have a 9420 Deere and an 1830 with 1910 tow behind and atom jet granular mid rows... Just would like to add second cart and wondering if you tie air fans together or run separate lines to tractor. Any info would be appreciated.
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I haven't done this but my neighbour had two units set up like your describing. Of you could add the Valmar to seed canola.https://www.rbauction.com/equipment_images/2014519/largest/4300197_1.jpg
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Have a neighbour next to me that has a 430bu TBT 1910, then a 56' 1870, then a 430bu TBH 1910. Before they went to the 1870 they had a 61' 1820 and pulled it with a 9520. Now they have a 9560rt.
Other neighbour has a 430bu TBT New Holland cart, 70' Seedmaster, then 2 TBH concord carts in tandem.
I have a 3360 imp gallon TBT liquid cart, 70 salford, then a 5350 bourgault cart.
Getting pretty common around here these days.
Other neighbour has a 430bu TBT New Holland cart, 70' Seedmaster, then 2 TBH concord carts in tandem.
I have a 3360 imp gallon TBT liquid cart, 70 salford, then a 5350 bourgault cart.
Getting pretty common around here these days.
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I wonder how well it would work trying to get product from the second tow behind cart in tandem with such long air lines?
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Would there be just one fan on each tank or would one tank have the duel shoot with two fans? One fan on each I think should be fine but not sure about capacity to run 3 fans. I don't think you could plumb 2 fans together into one line, think it would take too much flow to do that, but I may be wrong.
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So are your tanks both singe shoot or set up in single shoot configuration so front being N and rear being seed and starter?
Just wondering if any one has 2 TBH tanks set up and how they run the air?
I have thought about this a lot and wondered if you would have the front cart a double shoot with one fan lets say to the top primarys and the second cart a single shoot with one fan and the primarys would come out of the front of the second card and plumb into the bottom of the double shoot front cart and then carry on to drill? it would definetly give you more tank options if of coarse it worked?????
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We have setup a couple of twin 1910 units over the years your 9420 will have enough hydraulic power with mechanical meter drives but if both carts are hydraulic meters it may not have enough flow. Each fan will need its own SCV as you will want to vary fan speed independently and you would put too much back pressure on the first fans motor and cause the seals to blow out. The hydralic system on your tractor will flow 44GPM if you have a mechanical transmission or 48 GPM if you have a powershift or 78 GPM if you have a powershift with the high flow option but it is rare to see a high flow 20 series
Mines just a 48 gpm... Tank is mechanical and the second one woukd most likely be mechanical too with variable rate... Tractor is also power shift.... Something I really like about the idea is being able to fill both units at the same time... Where one big cart you'd have to fill with 2 different units
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That's what I like about mine. Can start filling the TBT with seed. Then start the TBH with the banded blend. Switch to filling seed placed fert on the TBT then switch tanks on the TBH and usually it's full before the TBT is. It's a lot of running but can be going in under 25 minutes.
I'm using two tandems and an end dump. Wouldn't work if you're using a super B or three hopper tridem.
When I added my TBT (Morris 7300) I took a bunch of weight off and it didn't actually pull any harder than before. I was quite surprised. Even on the ugliest of hills. Once you get past the fact you can't see the center of your drill which took me a day you'll love it. At least I did.
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I've run two tow behind carts hooked in tandem with dual shoot. I moved both fans to the rear cart and just blow it through the front cart. This left me open to configure six tank options into either air stream. Both are mechanical, and I am using high speed fans. I'm using all dry fertilizer.
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We have a 1910 430 bu tbt front tank ds but we only use the top shoot it feeds the fert shank. The tbh tank is a 350 bu single shoot tNk and it is plumbed to the seed shank on a 56' 1870 drill. 5 compartments total. Best thing about it as mentioned is the 25 min loading time for 780 bu.
we pull it with a 485 case with 710 duals and 57 GPM hyd. It's all the hyd flow can handle. if the tractor is at 1900 rpm it can't lift the drill, it has to be at 2000 rpm. That's putting 450 lbs/ac at 4.5 mph. Both tanks are mechanical drive. It has 1/2" couplers and hoses now but I'm going to try 3/4" couplers hope it frees up some hyd flow.
we pull it with a 485 case with 710 duals and 57 GPM hyd. It's all the hyd flow can handle. if the tractor is at 1900 rpm it can't lift the drill, it has to be at 2000 rpm. That's putting 450 lbs/ac at 4.5 mph. Both tanks are mechanical drive. It has 1/2" couplers and hoses now but I'm going to try 3/4" couplers hope it frees up some hyd flow.
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That is awesome glad to hear it works, did you notice if the second cart made it pull much harder, how much product do you put down?
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Yes I know it's back there when it's full of fertilizer and you point it up a hill. I'm holding 880 bushel. I'm using variable rate linear actuators on 6 rate transmissions and ag leader integra controllers on both carts and have fertility set up in zones. The rate on each product is adj independently of each other based on field prescription. All the fertilizer is kept separate in the carts and is blended as needed by zone requirements during planting. I've fed the drill around 650lbs total with seed and fetilizer combined in both dual shoot air streams at 4.5mph with a 60' drill with no problems. The smaller the drill the faster you could run. Speed limits me as to how much the drill itself can take. I have trimmed and routed the hoses on the drill to eliminate all sags and drops and make them as short as I possibly can. I happy with the job it does at 4.5mph and it is just easier on everything.
Also I can turn and wrap the drill in a circle and load both carts with two semis at once. Cuts my fill time in half.
I have two hoppers on semis and have a different fertilizer in each one.
Both of my carts were dual shoot to start with so it made plumbing a bit more simple
Yes I know it's back there when it's full of fertilizer and you point it up a hill. I'm holding 880 bushel. I'm using variable rate linear actuators on 6 rate transmissions and ag leader integra controllers on both carts and have fertility set up in zones. The rate on each product is adj independently of each other based on field prescription. All the fertilizer is kept separate in the carts and is blended as needed by zone requirements during planting. I've fed the drill around 650lbs total with seed and fetilizer combined in both dual shoot air streams at 4.5mph with a 60' drill with no problems. The smaller the drill the faster you could run. Speed limits me as to how much the drill itself can take. I have trimmed and routed the hoses on the drill to eliminate all sags and drops and make them as short as I possibly can. I happy with the job it does at 4.5mph and it is just easier on everything.
Also I can turn and wrap the drill in a circle and load both carts with two semis at once. Cuts my fill time in half.
I have two hoppers on semis and have a different fertilizer in each one.Both of my carts were dual shoot to start with so it made plumbing a bit more simple
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What brand of carts do you have?
My dealer told me of how they hooked two TBH Bourgualt carts together, the back cart had the fans and pushed the whole system, no fans on the front cart.
My dealer told me of how they hooked two TBH Bourgualt carts together, the back cart had the fans and pushed the whole system, no fans on the front cart.
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Yes I know it's back there when it's full of fertilizer and you point it up a hill. I'm holding 880 bushel. I'm using variable rate linear actuators on 6 rate transmissions and ag leader integra controllers on both carts and have fertility set up in zones. The rate on each product is adj independently of each other based on field prescription. All the fertilizer is kept separate in the carts and is blended as needed by zone requirements during planting. I've fed the drill around 650lbs total with seed and fetilizer combined in both dual shoot air streams at 4.5mph with a 60' drill with no problems. The smaller the drill the faster you could run. Speed limits me as to how much the drill itself can take. I have trimmed and routed the hoses on the drill to eliminate all sags and drops and make them as short as I possibly can. I happy with the job it does at 4.5mph and it is just easier on everything.
Also I can turn and wrap the drill in a circle and load both carts with two semis at once. Cuts my fill time in half.
Both of my carts were dual shoot to start with so it made plumbing a bit more simple
F*ckin rights sounds awesome, do you have any pics you can post?
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