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Cereals will do better on narrower spacing. That is just a reality. Canola can do well on wide or narrow spacing IMO. Plants per ft2 regardless of spacing is key. 3lbs on narrow spacing puts plants in the row further apart allowing space around the entire plant. Put 3lbs on 15' row spacing and only space on 2 sides of the plant. I am not sold on the wide spacing canola theory. Floating gives the best plant ability to expand but germination is sacfriced with varying seed depth and without moisture soon after can be a wreck. Here in the NE though many thousands of acres are still seeded this way with great success most yrs.
 

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Thought I’d throw you guys an update from our side by side trials in northern Alberta from last season.

15” UltraSR vs 10” bourgault and 12” hawk in barley we saw no yield difference. Same in wheat. Canola was better by 3 bushels per acre.
Having said this.....these results are in an area that isn’t super dry. I can see that further south where canopy close up early is needed due to low moisture conditions most of the time this probably isn’t the answer. I sold one to a fellow in Innisfail Alberta last august which is central area. He’s moving from 10” to this. We did fall rye with it and it looked perfect going into winter. We will see what the results are come this fall and what the customer experienced on his other crop yields compared to his last drill on 10” would produce.
 

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Thought I’d throw you guys an update from our side by side trials in northern Alberta from last season.

15” UltraSR vs 10” bourgault and 12” hawk in barley we saw no yield difference. Same in wheat. Canola was better by 3 bushels per acre.
Having said this.....these results are in an area that isn’t super dry. I can see that further south where canopy close up early is needed due to low moisture conditions most of the time this probably isn’t the answer. I sold one to a fellow in Innisfail Alberta last august which is central area. He’s moving from 10” to this. We did fall rye with it and it looked perfect going into winter. We will see what the results are come this fall and what the customer experienced on his other crop yields compared to his last drill on 10” would produce.
If you are wanting to confirm the 15" spacing is not a drag on yield you need to compare to a seedmaster 10" and 12" spacing with same rates of fertilizer. Then you should have an independent drill that can seed at 7-8" spacing that has a comparable opener to the seedmaster. This should also be done for 3-5 years. This will be the only way to truly put the issue to bed. We have been looking at the SR but the wide spacing on cereals of all peer reviewed third party testing shows decreases as spacing increases. Can't ignore those till you prove it right, not anecdotal of how a farmer thinks the 15" yielded compared to the last 10" drill. Useless information, things every year are so variable.
 

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Thought I’d throw you guys an update from our side by side trials in northern Alberta from last season.

15” UltraSR vs 10” bourgault and 12” hawk in barley we saw no yield difference. Same in wheat. Canola was better by 3 bushels per acre.
Having said this.....these results are in an area that isn’t super dry. I can see that further south where canopy close up early is needed due to low moisture conditions most of the time this probably isn’t the answer. I sold one to a fellow in Innisfail Alberta last august which is central area. He’s moving from 10” to this. We did fall rye with it and it looked perfect going into winter. We will see what the results are come this fall and what the customer experienced on his other crop yields compared to his last drill on 10” would produce.
Is there any chance of a paired row opener that can be used on this SR drill? Like the Dutch conversion kit? This would help immensely in my opinion with the spacing issue. Love the idea of a SR, so easy to check, fix, etc. No more crawling under a drill would be seeding heaven!
 

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If you are wanting to confirm the 15" spacing is not a drag on yield you need to compare to a seedmaster 10" and 12" spacing with same rates of fertilizer. Then you should have an independent drill that can seed at 7-8" spacing that has a comparable opener to the seedmaster. This should also be done for 3-5 years. This will be the only way to truly put the issue to bed. We have been looking at the SR but the wide spacing on cereals of all peer reviewed third party testing shows decreases as spacing increases. Can't ignore those till you prove it right, not anecdotal of how a farmer thinks the 15" yielded compared to the last 10" drill. Useless information, things every year are so variable.
Ok but how are side by side trials that are recorded vs 10” or 12” competitor drills in the same field with same rates of product and same treatment through the season not viable info? I agree it needs to be done for at least a few years in a row which is what we are doing through my dealership for customers. I also have 10 years experience on wide spacing and I’ve never seen a yield variance that was significant. As far as 7-8” spacing well that’ll never happen here unless someone has a box drill. I’ve thought about double seeding with the SR to mimic 7.5”. Would have to seed slow and interow with two half applications.
 

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Is there any chance of a paired row opener that can be used on this SR drill? Like the Dutch conversion kit? This would help immensely in my opinion with the spacing issue. Love the idea of a SR, so easy to check, fix, etc. No more crawling under a drill would be seeding heaven!
Just recently Dutch released some new stuff for SM opener designs but no reports yet on how they’ve worked. Dutch designed and inline rework for the SM opener. We will see once people try. Not sure how well an in-line would work on the SR
 

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Myo when you talk about seeding wheat at 170lb per acre that a over a bushel more per acre than we currently use. At todays grain prices thats a lot more seed cost. How much seedbed utilization do you get on 15 in row spacing?
 

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Ok but how are side by side trials that are recorded vs 10” or 12” competitor drills in the same field with same rates of product and same treatment through the season not viable info? I agree it needs to be done for at least a few years in a row which is what we are doing through my dealership for customers. I also have 10 years experience on wide spacing and I’ve never seen a yield variance that was significant. As far as 7-8” spacing well that’ll never happen here unless someone has a box drill. I’ve thought about double seeding with the SR to mimic 7.5”. Would have to seed slow and interow with two half applications.
Thought I’d throw you guys an update from our side by side trials in northern Alberta from last season.

15” UltraSR vs 10” bourgault and 12” hawk in barley we saw no yield difference. Same in wheat. Canola was better by 3 bushels per acre.
Having said this.....these results are in an area that isn’t super dry. I can see that further south where canopy close up early is needed due to low moisture conditions most of the time this probably isn’t the answer. I sold one to a fellow in Innisfail Alberta last august which is central area. He’s moving from 10” to this. We did fall rye with it and it looked perfect going into winter. We will see what the results are come this fall and what the customer experienced on his other crop yields compared to his last drill on 10” would produce.
Thought I’d throw you guys an update from our side by side trials in northern Alberta from last season.

15” UltraSR vs 10” bourgault and 12” hawk in barley we saw no yield difference. Same in wheat. Canola was better by 3 bushels per acre.
Having said this.....these results are in an area that isn’t super dry. I can see that further south where canopy close up early is needed due to low moisture conditions most of the time this probably isn’t the answer. I sold one to a fellow in Innisfail Alberta last august which is central area. He’s moving from 10” to this. We did fall rye with it and it looked perfect going into winter. We will see what the results are come this fall and what the customer experienced on his other crop yields compared to his last drill on 10” would produce.
What do you think about lentils with 15" spacing? They are the only crop I'm nervous about with 15" spacing.
 

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Curious how the SR and 15" spacing looks on a dry year like this. According to localish dealer there are none in the US to go look at and we cant get up to Canada.

They must have gone up in price the last couple years. Nearer to 1/2 a mil US than 400 now.
 

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So what if you were on wider spacing and that row where your hose was off hadn’t been tilled up in the first place? Would there be as many weeds growing if it hadn’t been disturbed? Not trying to be a jerk just asking. The more you disturb the soil the more weed seeds will grow.

I can honestly say that I’ve never seen weed issues due to wider spacing drills.
I find my weed growth in flax and peas increases a lot with wider spacing and narrow rows. My barley burns quicker with narrow row and seeding rate needs to be lower. I spent 3 yrs adding twin row dutch low draft openers to my seedmaster drill and with a lot of pictures to help me remember observations, Im happy now with my 12 inch spacing. I live further north than where seedmaster did testing. so different areas and my typical rainfall may dictate results and lead into different positions. Canola is ok and just adapts.
 

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I find my weed growth in flax and peas increases a lot with wider spacing and narrow rows. My barley burns quicker with narrow row and seeding rate needs to be lower. I spent 3 yrs adding twin row dutch low draft openers to my seedmaster drill and with a lot of pictures to help me remember observations, Im happy now with my 12 inch spacing. I live further north than where seedmaster did testing. so different areas and my typical rainfall may dictate results and lead into different positions. Canola is ok and just adapts.
I would be interested in seeing a picture of the have on the Seed Master
 

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Interested in these drills but have a few worries. First how the residue wheels handle the odd rock out in the field and the 15 inch spacing in cereals. Any extra info would be appreciated with making this decision
 

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Their is rumblings that Dutch and possibly even Seedmaster are working on an opener (paired row??) that will be 12" spacing for this drill. That would be a big game changer in my mind to go 12" on this drill for the dryer areas and change to 15" when doing canola. I'd be sold on it if that were the case.
 
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