[cnh007]

Had the chance to run an SP365F new holland front boom last week, here are a list of pros and cons in my opinion from my experience in this machine. I had the chance to spray out a few tanks doing fungicide in a relatively hilly peice. Was a 2013 equipped with an intelliview 4

Pros

- The front boom, I love the fact that I can see every nozzle

- Rides very smooth, better than my case over the same terrain I sprayed 2 weeks earlier with the case

- Visibility because it's so high

- Big Tank, I liked the 1600 gallon tank especially being able to do a whole 1/4 with a fill at 10 gal

-engine accessability


Cons

- Its very underpowered, even with only 6 or 800 gallons in tank

- The boom height control worked very well but the booms flap around like its a seagull, they flex to much IMO

- I hate having to walk to the back of the machine all the time to get in

-The seat and the hydro handle suck

- boom tip travel isn't very good, maybe it was the way it was set up but it didnt have much tip travel

-If it wasn't widened out to full axle width it was scary as **** on sidehills, I didnt extend the axles because I wanted to run in the same tracks I made with my sprayer before

-I am so used to AIM command I have a hard time accepting the way the rate controller works on a conventional machine, especially when climbing a hill with this gutless wonder and it bogging down to 7 or 8 miles per hour causing the nozzles to drop pressure and dribble like a dink when you finish taking a piss

- The gear selection, I am so used to the infinite speed control dial on the case that when I got in this thing I had a hard time adjusting to the fact that I had to pull back and vary my speed with the hydro handle

- The fuel tank is in a really stupid place

I know some of these things can most likely be adjusted but , this was my opinion based on how this unit was set up, it had probably 8-10 demos before me. By the time I finished my demo it was sold anyway

 

[dougpettman]

They upped the hp to 400 and knowing your terrain look at different cams in wheel motors when you order.you can put sharp shooter on any machine.

 

[Don Boles]

Cons

- Its very underpowered, even with only 6 or 800 gallons in tank

-The seat and the hydro handle suck

- boom tip travel isn't very good, maybe it was the way it was set up but it didnt have much tip travel

-If it wasn't widened out to full axle width it was scary as **** on sidehills, I didnt extend the axles because I wanted to run in the same tracks I made with my sprayer before

-I am so used to AIM command I have a hard time accepting the way the rate controller works on a conventional machine, especially when climbing a hill with this gutless wonder and it bogging down to 7 or 8 miles per hour causing the nozzles to drop pressure and dribble like a dink when you finish taking a piss

- The fuel tank is in a really stupid place

Hmm, looks like I wrote that as well.
http://www.thecombineforum.com/foru...r/162850-newholland-miller-sp365f-review.html

What tire size, gear and speed were you trying to spray?

How does seat and hydro handle suck?

I assume by boom tip travel you mean the minimal height they can be raised and in all likelyhood it had the spacers on the cylinders which changes terrible into the ****s for lift height.

I accidently had that happen, turning on a steep hill in narrow, the tall sitting position must make that feel worse.

Don't think I'd ever want a sprayer without a Capstan system on it either.

At the very least rinse tank and diesel tank position should be reversed and an overflow like the main tank has added to rinse tank.
Not sure what else could be done, fill height is so high.

 

[Don Boles]

look at different cams in wheel motors when you order.

I don't think there's any option on the large frames Doug.

 

[bent]

I don't think there's any option on the large frames Doug.

Yes, I think there are HT cams for the wheel motors. It also matters which gear he was using for spraying. I would not like to farm any hill that first gear won't pull at full speed.

 

[meyers]

For 2015, according to the miller website, there is a cam option on the 5250 and 5300 models, the 5225, 5345 and 5400 have no cam option

 

[harvestmoon]

-The seat and the hydro handle suck. I 100% agree

to drop pressure and dribble like a dink when you finish taking a piss
That's funny as ****..

- The fuel tank is in a really stupid place .. I 100% agree

 

[cnh007]

Hmm, looks like I wrote that as well.
http://www.thecombineforum.com/foru...r/162850-newholland-miller-sp365f-review.html

What tire size, gear and speed were you trying to spray?

How does seat and hydro handle suck?

I assume by boom tip travel you mean the minimal height they can be raised and in all likelyhood it had the spacers on the cylinders which changes terrible into the ****s for lift height.

I accidently had that happen, turning on a steep hill in narrow, the tall sitting position must make that feel worse.

Don't think I'd ever want a sprayer without a Capstan system on it either.

At the very least rinse tank and diesel tank position should be reversed and an overflow like the main tank has added to rinse tank.
Not sure what else could be done, fill height is so high.

It was equipped with 380/90R46 good years they were spray maxx tires or something along those lines??? I can't remember exactly. My goal speed was 15 mph, in N2 it would only get 12.8 so in N3 I had to pay attention which isn't a machine issue by no means but something I wasn't used to

I had a tailbone injury many years ago so for me a seat is important, this seat although having a very nice high back made my tailbone hurt like mad, It was very comfortable at first but once I sat in it for a couple hours I couldn't take it, to me it was almost worse than sitting in the standard seats that come in NH combines! I don't like the way the tip control is setup on the Hydro handle at all, once again it came down to preference for me on this one, I prefer the joystick setup from both case and deere here, and what's with the double button shifting?? I thought the way the buttons changed color when sections were active or off was nice feature. I just couldn't get comfortable holding the Hydro handle either, not sure why and maybe it is adjustable but I'm not gonna be unscrewing things and messing with stuff that isn't mine

Yes the tip travel with spacers, it's terrible!

It puckered my ass when I turned on a sidehill, maybe it works really well axles extended but in this case I wasn't very impressed in narrow position, I also noticed it dog tracked worse than any machine I have ever run in a sidehill and it didn't matter full, half full or empty, could also be due to narrow spacing, but was way worse than the deere I ran last year

If it had sharpshooter /pinpoint it would help a lot imo, I have pinpoint on my 4430 and I love it

I didn't know where the fuel tank was at first and when I did find it I had to put the fuel nozzle on the step and hope it didn't fall before I got up there to put it in the tank, and not to mention this is one thirsty Mamma with all that horsepower that it doesn't feel like it has

Overall it's a nice machine but it's big! After running it for a few hours I felt like I was in a go-cart when I went back to my 4430 I wanted to run them both in the same day just to see the difference and the once what I thought was a monster 4430 compared to our old 3330 felt very small and nimble after.
It's all preference but I don't see myself changing to a front boom anytime soon, but it was a nice experience to say the least.

 

[bent]

I don't know your terrain, but was 15 mph reasonable in those hills if they were steep enough you were nervous about turning?

There is a hook for the fuel nozzle just to the front of the side shield. You hook the nozzle and then climb the ladder and pull it the rest of the way up to the tank.

I agree with you about the seat bottom. A new bottom cushion is on the list for improvements this winter. To me, the foam is to hard and to thin, and I want it to be smooth.

 

[cnh007]

I don't know your terrain, but was 15 mph reasonable in those hills if they were steep enough you were nervous about turning?

There is a hook for the fuel nozzle just to the front of the side shield. You hook the nozzle and then climb the ladder and pull it the rest of the way up to the tank.

I agree with you about the seat bottom. A new bottom cushion is on the list for improvements this winter. To me, the foam is to hard and to thin, and I want it to be smooth.

believe me I wasn't doing 15 on the hills, 15 was my goal on the flat.

Really, I didn't know about the hook, good to know there is something in place

 

[Don Boles]

My goal speed was 15 mph, in N2 it would only get 12.8 so in N3 I had to pay attention which isn't a machine issue by no means but something I wasn't used to

Why hung-up on any particular speed?
I just run full handle, first or second gear, close and fast enough for me.
Maybe hamstrung by no PP?

I also noticed it dog tracked worse than any machine I have ever run in a sidehill and it didn't matter full, half full or empty, could also be due to narrow spacing, but was way worse than the deere I ran last year

If it had sharpshooter /pinpoint it would help a lot imo, I have pinpoint on my 4430 and I love it.

I was wondering about that, on 320/105R54's it dog tracked something ferocious, right down to auto steering kicking out, some message about cross tracking comes up.
I can't figure out what causes it but it was much less severe on 650/85R38's.

Love Pinpoint eh?
Me too.
Except...
That garbage, POS, ******* junk remote control they supply for nozzle and/or section checking!
What an absolute embarrassment that should be to Capstan!
Fabulous idea.
Garbage execution!
Oh yeah, that and no metric.
Talk about bleeding edge technology blended with stone age measurement system.

Twinjet Turboteejet nozzles are my discovery of the year!

 

[cnh007]

Why hung-up on any particular speed?
I just run full handle, first or second gear, close and fast enough for me.
Maybe hamstrung by no PP?


I was wondering about that, on 320/105R54's it dog tracked something ferocious, right down to auto steering kicking out, some message about cross tracking comes up.
I can't figure out what causes it but it was much less severe on 650/85R38's.

Love Pinpoint eh?
Me too.
Except...
That garbage, POS, ******* junk remote control they supply for nozzle and/or section checking!
What an absolute embarrassment that should be to Capstan!
Fabulous idea.
Garbage execution!
Oh yeah, that and no metric.
Talk about bleeding edge technology blended with stone age measurement system.

Twinjet Turboteejet nozzles are my discovery of the year!

I guess I'm not hung up on a particular speed per say but I like the infinite speed know in the case over the range selection options in the NH

Yes I agree with you about the remote, but other than that I love the single nozzle control, the ability to apply different rates, the turn compensation etc. I had AIM command before and this is just the icing on the cake imo. What do you like about the teejet Nozzles? I am running an assortment of wilger Nozzles as well as a set of DF10 twin fan nozzles from Greenleaf technologies and I love them for coverage in liberty and fungicides

 

[Don Boles]

What do you like about the teejet Nozzles?

The double exit spray pattern strikes a "common sense, fundamentally sound idea" chord in me.
Teejet claims slightly larger droplets from it but not any real difference in drift vs. a single Teejet of the same size.

TeeJet - Turbo TwinJet® Twin Flat Spray Tips

I sure there are others.

When I knew I was going to have PP I hummed and hawed and pissed around for months agonizing as I had no experience with pulse width modulation whatsoever, both what kind of as well as what size of nozzles to install.
I end up with just two sets of Turbo Twinjets, 02's and 04's.

You can spray down to about 8 psi at boom and still have a sorta decent pattern, keep in mind with pulse width modulation the normal check diaphragms are gone, actually did that one day beside a sensitive crop in a non-favoring breeze.

That being able to just dial in pressure and let the duty cycle handle rate is marvelous.
When you watch on the screens during a turn you sometimes wonder how it will turn out but it seems to work even with a bit of a lag in the turn comp. Can drive a rate controller nuts though with the rapid flow change demands.
Once outside rounds were done I tended to shut off turn comp and dial in about 90% duty cycle with pressure adjust.
Got so I can keep the little boom picture at 45 degrees so as to apply evenly across entire boom on turns!

 

[cnh007]

The double exit spray pattern strikes a "common sense, fundamentally sound idea" chord in me.
Teejet claims slightly larger droplets from it but not any real difference in drift vs. a single Teejet of the same size.

TeeJet - Turbo TwinJet® Twin Flat Spray Tips

I sure there are others.

When I knew I was going to have PP I hummed and hawed and pissed around for months agonizing as I had no experience with pulse width modulation whatsoever, both what kind of as well as what size of nozzles to install.
I end up with just two sets of Turbo Twinjets, 02's and 04's.

You can spray down to about 8 psi at boom and still have a sorta decent pattern, keep in mind with pulse width modulation the normal check diaphragms are gone, actually did that one day beside a sensitive crop in a non-favoring breeze.

That being able to just dial in pressure and let the duty cycle handle rate is marvelous.
When you watch on the screens during a turn you sometimes wonder how it will turn out but it seems to work even with a bit of a lag in the turn comp. Can drive a rate controller nuts though with the rapid flow change demands.
Once outside rounds were done I tended to shut off turn comp and dial in about 90% duty cycle with pressure adjust.
Got so I can keep the little boom picture at 45 degrees so as to apply evenly across entire boom on turns!

This was my choice and I am very happy with them, it was actually a member on here and Tom wolf who made my decision to go with these

 

[Don Boles]

This was my choice and I am very happy with them, it was actually a member on here and Tom wolf who made my decision to go with these

Same idea , that looks Wilger, mine came Teejet.

Tom is my go to spray guy as well, in fact we're having lunch on the 2nd in the "toon" I think locals call it.

Going to this event:

Sask Ag Hall of Fame - SaskatoonHomepage.ca - Saskatoon, Local News, Weather, and Sports.

I was honored to be invited to Guy Lafond's induction into the Saskatchewan Agricultural Hall of Fame this Saturday.

 

[SouthernSK]

Don I am amazed that the 02 and 04 size nozzles are big enough for you. I am hoping they produce a 08 and 10 version. Our 4420 sprayer has been excellent and has so many nice features. The one thing I do not like about it is it can not climb a steep ditch. It seems like the front wheels spin out or do not grab the dirt well. Other than that I am not sure what I would change on the sprayer.

 

[Don Boles]

Don I am amazed that the 02 and 04 size nozzles are big enough for you. I am hoping they produce a 08 and 10 version.

At the moment they only go to 06 Twinjets.
They're big enough for me for two reasons, I'm not all that concerned with high speeds and I only spray my crops, not give them a bath.

 

[Nitro 1]

I think that PP has given you a case of verbal diarrhea Don. What this is your first sp and you have done how many hours ??

 

[cnh007]

I think that PP has given you a case of verbal diarrhea Don. What this is your first sp and you have done how many hours ??

This isn't my first sp sprayer and I like my pin point, is there an issue with that as well?