[farmerfrank]

We currently run a 4830,it's been ok, but it's had it's fair share of issues also. Lots of cracking on the boom, and every year we blow at least two hydraulic lines. Our 4710 before it was bulletproof, but now I'm considering the big new holland with front boom and 1600 gallon tank. Anybody out there run both lately? What's the chemical like on the sprayer and in the cab on the new holland? Are the new deeres better? Been hearing they are underpowered?

 

[bent]

I have the 5400 Nitro. It was new last year. Its Nitro #4 for me. I get spray on the front tires, thats about it. I have neighbors with rear booms that get more spray on their machines than I do. Of coarse they run with the booms way up in to windy conditions. As for the cab, I have never smelled 2,4-d or dicamba in the cab and those are the strongest odor chemicals I spray. I haven't smelled fungicide, and I have ran tasseled corn with the booms all the way up.

I've haven't blown a hydraulic hose yet (knock on wood) on any of my machines. The first I had was pretty tired when I bought it and more so when it left.

I haven't ran a deere since an original 4700 (thats why I bought a Nitro) so I can't compare.

 

[SWFarmService]

Only time I seem to get spray on mine is headline at tassel, no probs smelling in the cab, not even banvil, I have a 4365, I like it but by all means I don't love it, torn between making upgrades to it such as sprayflex booms some suspension mods and some weight saving modifications, or just buy a Haggie and have something that maybe someone will support, customer service from miller is proving to be a joke, after owning the Miller I can see that the structure, design and serviceability is far more advanced on the haggie

Might be another one to look into if you are in the US, there is no dealer network, everything comes right from the factory, more off the shelf parts with them and not nearly as complex

 

[Seedcornfarmer]

We had our first major boom failure this weekend $10,000 later it's fixed. To there defense this is machine number 7 one has 6000 hours a couple with 5000 and the rest have 2500 and above all and all not bad machines. I'm a little nervous what NH is doing to the cost of parts though...

 

[Mick jackson]

Bought a NH 275r ( rear boom) this year had no issue with it not even electrical did about 10000 acres with it now Only got the two wheel drive system seems so work pretty good actually lots of horse power for me these units can be ordered with a front wheel assist if one wants four wheel drive Filled the tank right full and the rinse tank as well which comes to 1350 gal altogether and took it up our biggest hill wich is at least a 10 to 12 % grade if not more seemed to climb it ok Have talked to neighbours who have the new rogators and case units they have had def issues with me. Mine is a 2014 model and has no def or dpf system which is something I won't have to spend money on since I don't have it ?

 

[SWFarmService]

We had our first major boom failure this weekend $10,000 later it's fixed. To there defense this is machine number 7 one has 6000 hours a couple with 5000 and the rest have 2500 and above all and all not bad machines. I'm a little nervous what NH is doing to the cost of parts though...

Not just the cost, witch is already twice the price, thought it would be cheaper to buy from them vs Miller since they own them but I was wrong and every time I call the new Holland dealer for convenience the parts are on back order.

You break the center section? I think I was quoted 11-12000 for mine, I find it a bit disappointing that they updated the part that was designed so poorly and over price the crap out of the new one

Way too many things should have been recalled and they have no care in the world

 

[pfsl]

I dont agree with you that rear boom machines get dirtier than front boom. That is simply absurd and you might be able to bull$hit everyone else hear but I have demoed and seen the front boom in action and never seen a clean sprayer yet. And their ride sucks compared to everything else on the market. But if you lack the skills to drive a rear boom sprayer.......this machine is for you lol.

 

[Mick jackson]

Ever heard of Tom Wolf the spray tip guru he claims that rear boom sprayers make a turbulence with the rear wheels and that screws up your spray pattern in this way front boom would be an advantage

 

[JoRu]

...... these units can be ordered with a front wheel assist if one wants four wheel drive .....

That's interessting! .....didn't know that :50:

 

[Licensed to kill]

Ever heard of Tom Wolf the spray tip guru he claims that rear boom sprayers make a turbulence with the rear wheels and that screws up your spray pattern in this way front boom would be an advantage

Are you suggesting that every rear boom sprayer leaves strips with no weed control behind the wheels due to screwed up spray patterns caused by rear wheel turbulence?. Over 90% of the sprayers around here are rear boom and I've never seen these unkilled strips.

 

[SWFarmService]

Are you suggesting that every rear boom sprayer leaves strips with no weed control behind the wheels due to screwed up spray patterns caused by rear wheel turbulence?. Over 90% of the sprayers around here are rear boom and I've never seen these unkilled strips.

I will say I think he was inaccurate on the turbulence but maybe how wind might travel under the sprayer?? not sure, but one thing is for sure is that dust can neutralize chemicals causing streaks, many people including myself run higher rate nozzles behind the wheels generally 3 wide on each side, I have even seen where guys run fungicide nozzles in them areas. Even on my front boom I run a nozzle 5 gal above rate behind the rear tires

 

[Licensed to kill]

I will say I think he was inaccurate on the turbulence but maybe how wind might travel under the sprayer?? not sure, but one thing is for sure is that dust can neutralize chemicals causing streaks, many people including myself run higher rate nozzles behind the wheels generally 3 wide on each side, I have even seen where guys run fungicide nozzles in them areas. Even on my front boom I run a nozzle 5 gal above rate behind the rear tires

Yes dust can be an issue, particularly with glyphosate as it binds to soil. Other chems not so much. I have never tried the higher rate nozzle behind the wheel idea but it does seem to have sound reasoning behind it. The dust thing is an interesting one. Is it the chem passing through the suspend3d dust that causes issues or is it the dust settling back on the leaves that causes issues or perhaps a combination of both. Like I said, glyphosate's affinity to binding to soil would suggest both but not all chems have this ability. My biggest observed dust reaction was with Liberty but it was on peat moss and, regardless of speed, there was a huge black cloud behind the sprayer. Anyone that has farmed areas with peat moss in DRY conditions knows what I mean. For me, I have only one concern in this regard an that is getting a proper kill across the entire field and ONLY the field I am spraying (OK, I guess that's two concerns). I don't care what the spray pattern LOOKS like, whether it's pretty or ugly, whether it looks like a nice even curtain or is twisting and swirling as long as I am getting the proper results. After over 500,000 acres of spraying in all sorts of conditions and all sorts of winds from every direction, my experience has been that a nice pretty spray pattern means doodly-squat when it come to actual kill results. Now maybe my experience would be different if I was using a different nozzle and I do adjust my spraying habits to fit conditions (speed, boom height etc).

 

[Mick jackson]

Personally I think the way yall think. It's the dust that's leaving the strips not turbulence but he is supposingly the spray tip expert

 

[mbfarmer]

It's dust for sure. I have seen many times that first thing in the morning when the soil is damp no weed escapes in the wheel tracks and by the afternoon they start showing up. Unless the sprayer only makes turbulence when the ground is dry and dusty.

 

[Jason Hildebrand]

I'm getting a chance to try a new prototype NH sprayer on Monday which is a Miller 6500 in blue dress. NH is calling it a SP.400F still but the drive system has drastically changed from the 2015 model, lots of other improvements. 135ff truss boom will be interesting. Had Deere 49 series for years, looking to possibly make a change, at least see what's out there.

 

[SWFarmService]

I'm getting a chance to try a new prototype NH sprayer on Monday which is a Miller 6500 in blue dress. NH is calling it a SP.400F still but the drive system has drastically changed from the 2015 model, lots of other improvements. 135ff truss boom will be interesting. Had Deere 49 series for years, looking to possibly make a change, at least see what's out there.

Trying diff things is the best thing you can do but learn from my mistakes and dont buy the first thing you try cause you like it, keep you eyes wide open, lots of options out there

 

[Mick jackson]

I sprayed with a front boom for a bit I didn't quite go for it. But each to their own I suppose

 

[peterbilt]

Ya the new 400 looks like some nice changes between having planetaries, 135ft truss boom a few other little changes but nothing to serious by the looks of it. We have about 60000 acres on this one and it was a year old used machine when we got it and no issues yet, in our fine dust it's a fight for control in wheel tracks, I have 10 gallon tips behind the wheels to no avail, even had escapes in liberty which I haven't seen before, otherwise I like the cab, don't smell chem, I find the ride to be good, accessibility to things is simple, cleanest sprayer underneath by far for plumbin etc sticking out, it gets chem on it but I don't find it to be a whole lot different the rear boom before it that way. All in all very satisfied and next one will also be blue but will probably give someone else the courtesy of a demo but it would be an awfully hard sell.

 

[Nodust]

You have never seen these unkilled strips? Pretty common since the high clearance sprayer came along!

 

[peterbilt]

Sure always have dust issues with roundup, have never had an issue with liberty until the front boom though.