Has any one gone from conventional tillage to strip-till and been completely satisfied. I am looking for all the information that I can about strip-till and how good it works. I am wondering how well planting the strips work. Would also like to know what are that best strip-till machines and the best air carts to apply P and K.
Do you use some form of auto steer? To get the most benefit you should some sort of system so you plant dead on the strip, but their are lots of farmers who don't use auto guide to plant. How big of a bar do you want? How many acres do you want to cover? There are several bars that are good but the deal breaker will be the dealer that backs you.
The Case 5310 bar is a soild machine but when you hook that commodity cart to it and then the ammonia tank you really get stretched out. John Deere is going to have the same problem, the only strike against these two is the fact that the row units are not free floating. Blue jet looks to have a good system with the fertilizer tank mounted above but here again they don't have free floating row units. Brillion has an awsome looking bar!! I think you could lay strips in a blacktop road with that one. Progressive has free floating row units,but we were cautioned that the strength COULD be questionable. Wil-Rich showed off a new toolbar at the farm progress show today,it has a fargo air tank mounted above and you could put any bodies row unit on it,they will be bringing their own to the market soon. Dawn has a row unit that is very different,I talked with them this past winter,they are out side of the box but not in a bad way,we only ruled them out because they could not put down ammonia at that time. We settled on a Bauer Built bar with Redball row units,and a Montag box above the bar where the seed tank normaly goes. I went to the show today to see it on display at the bauer built lot. It still needes the raven cold flow towers put on it and the dry hoses, but it is the first of its kind and the vision of all to follow.
There are studies online that show the benefits of striptill, there is also a list of 10 things not to do in striptill. We hope to compile results next winter and build a data base for our customers as the years go by. I picked up information today to read through and hope to attend some conferances next year. For any more info feel free to get in touch with me directly,its an ongoing learning experiance. We have a great dealer and a great product rep to draw support from,we are looking forward to getting into the field this fall!
We have John Deere auto trac now and usually run on SF2 signal which is +/- 4 inches but it is not repeatable. That is why we are going to switch to RTK and using I-guide on the planter and the strip till machine if we do get into strip-till. I am looking at getting into a 16/30inch machine with a 6 to 8 ton dry cart. I have a 9520 to pull it. I am hoping to do 1,000 to 1,500 acres a year with it. I recently went to a strip till demonstration and seen 12 different machines run in the field. I think that the best three machines were No. 1 The case ih 5310 did the best and most consistent job of all the machines but Blue Jet and Redball were right behind them. I recently seen the John Deere strip till machine and was very impressed with there design. John Deere will most likely be the one that interests me the most since we buy 3 new combines every year and 10 new tractors from them.
I would like to see the company lease a 9520T to pull our 16/30 bar,we are going to be carring 6 ton of dry onboard. Our competition uses a case bar with a a dry tank mounted right to the back of their bar and they are shopping for something tighter, not so long. Thats whats cool about our bar,, very compact! Going to try to get some pictures on here when its delivered.
That looks like a very very good idea. I really like how simple it has been designed. We had a DB 44 planter so I know how well the bar is built. The best thing about it is that even when you are going to pull a tank behined the bar everything is reletivly close to the tractor. Have you ever used the Montag cart before and if so how well did it work. We have been looking at the same cart to pull behined or strip till unit when we decied which brand we like the best. I just got to see some video on the new John Deere 2510S strip till machine and it was very impressive. I really like to rolling paddle that they have to replace the crumbler attachment. I would also like to know how much you have invested in your machine.
We have no history with montag,going off the knowledge of our John Deere dealer, he has delt with both Redball and montag in the past. Both the Raven super coolers are in the shop and will be taken to the dealer later this week.
Started with a Brillion Zone builder (Deep strip till), then went to a 12-30 redball, and then tried the Pluribus from Dawn.
I could wright a book on the subject, but long story short, its a learning process. Spring of 2006 was cold and wet here and corn stalks that did not have anything done with them the previouse year were trouble for planting beans in.
We decided to get out last summer. I won't knock strip till because we had some great years with it. Our philosophy is it needs to work on all our acres with some sort of efficiency to keep things going throughout the year.........It just didn't happen here last year.
I like the Redball units, but here they weren't super easy to go through corn trash in the fall. Following the combine direction helps out allot.
4710 dude, your setup looks real good. Not sure ya need the rolling baskets, unless your doing strips in the spring??? Whatever ya do, don't go twice through the feild with your unit. We stripped once putting down the p&K and then followed the strips with NH3 cuz it was about 15 bucks/acre cheaper than dry, and the following spring had valleys. One trip in the fall made for GREAT planting conditions here in the spring with nothing done to the strips (we didn't have rolling baskets).
Good luck guys!
Be sure to let us know how it works out. I hope someday to get back into strips, but we think we'll let you fellers profect the system before we get back into it.
PS: We still have 8 out of 24 Dawn pluribus units for sale. They have had about 50 acres a peice on them, were cleaned, coulters painted, and put into the shed since last summer.
I am going back to the dealer some time this week to finish putting the ammonia gear on,will try to get new pictures. The 9530 is due to be picked up on friday from deere and the insight controller will be added next week, but the temps here are still in the 80's and 50's at night,so we won't be going any time soon.
I think the DMI/Case 5310 toolbar is one of the toughest toolbars made. At work we just finished hooking up our three custom bars for this fall. Two 12 knife 5310 which are hooked to 8430 and a brand new 16 5310 hooked to a 8530 all using auto-steer and SF2 signal. A guy i work with had made a Hinker cultivator into a 12 knife strip-till bar and applys N-P-K all at once using an insight. This compared to the 5310 does a way better job building a nice berm. The reason is because of the independent row units and row cleaners. And everyone thinking of buying the new JD Strip-till bar that wants to pull an air cart and NH3 better have a big freakin tractor. It take 50 hp just to run the fan!!!
Here are the new pictures of our strip-till rig.
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