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Would you buy one Don?
Depends where that 60 mil went last night!

Not likely, I’m not a great lover of any car, I find ingress and egress a pain in most, a F-150 with power floorboards rapidly spoils one.
Cold weather battery performance is questionable.
Charging stations on a trip require planning and slow things down.

It would be a trip eater though, it handles (very low center of gravity due to battery positioning) well and is very quiet all the time.
Self driving now requires slight steering wheel pressure, not squeezing but marginal steering column movement. Once the knack of this is caught it’s very relaxing to “drive”.
Regenerative braking takes awhile to get use to in the aggressive setting but I love the concept.
Car will only move about a meter without seatbelt done up.
Huge center screen great for almost all functions as well as satellite view navigation, none of those Mickey Mouse nav displays for Tesla!
Trunk on both ends of course, didn’t look in either one.
Passing ability astounding.

Overall a great experience and a great way to test any vehicle one may be looking at, beats the **** out of any normal test drive with those slime salesperson riding with you!

224.89 all in. CAD. Was expecting and prepared to pay far more.

But that energy efficiency though...
 

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0.23 in oz for electricity if you lucky, solar brings down but they cost $ and they wear out.

The greenies want elec cars, and want high electricty prices? Then under mass adoption the infrastructure needed ramps up?

Whats the life of the tesla battery? And what effeciency does it loose with age?

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In a typical rental situation one fills up the vehicle with fuel just before delivering back or pay way more to have them do it. How did that work and who paid for the electricity or was that built into the rental price ?
 

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300,000 km degradation on average is not even 10%. Like all lithium batteries, operate between 20 and 80% and they last a very long time. Don't charge your phone/laptop etc past 80%, or use less then 20%. 40 to 70 is ideal. Lithium has no memory like nicads of old.
So you're saying for best battery life only use 30% of your battery. That's useful.

The 20/80 percent BS is being spread around like wildfire and it's complete hogwash. Phones and laptops have the charge/discharge buffer built into their charge cycles. Charge it to 100% and let it die if you want, it won't make any difference on the battery longevity.

How it works on a car, I have no idea, but I suspect that if you drop $180,000 on an electric car you'd be able to charge your battery to 100% and be able to drive until it's almost dead, which would be risky in any event since I'm sure most places wouldn't be too psyched to see someone charging their car up at their block heater plugs in the parking lot.

I do find it amusing when you see the pictures of tesla owners using a gas powered generator to recharge their cars.
 

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So heating didn't cut into the range much? When combined with the battery warming system I imagine in our cold winters it could probably reduce the range by a fair amount compared to the summer.
It does. My buddy who lives in the twin cities has one, his mom lives near Roseau MN. In the fall when he got the car he left home and drove to his mom's place on about 1 full charge. He made the trip again a couple of weeks ago when it was chillier out and he had to stop about 2/3's of the way back because he was on electrical fumes... Haha. He figured he had about 2/3 the life running on heat as opposed to running the air conditioner.
 

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0.23 in oz for electricity if you lucky
Let’s increase my power by 5X and reduce fuel use to say, ah let’s just 1/2 it, 7L/100, you're still never going to exceed 2/3’s of Dino fuel cost for energy.

Will they be a huge culture shift?
Never bet against where technology will take humankind. You will eventually lose.
 

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Just built into rental price although it was never brought up. Probably explains 500 km/day setting.

Depending on what one was driving in comparison for that 500 km, your pickup or lets say a small car that got good fuel mileage, certain some or quite a bit of savings with fuel that never had to be purchased so the final picture wasn't bad at all for a one day rental. On a longer term rental and having to chase down a plug which may be highly inconvenient depending on where one was staying, that becomes another sort of adventure.
 

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Diesel maybe.... gasoline like water, not so much.
No different than propane or CNG.
Not too many Joe-Schmo's driving around in natural gas or propane powered vehicles either.

Concept of using hydrogen as a fuel source is not new, it hasn't been done because it's too dangerous.

Poke a hole in a gas tank then poke a hole in a propane tank and tell me what you'd rather be sitting on top of in the event of an accident.
 

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With regards to lithium battery charge, its recommended by DJI that my drone batteries be stored at approx 80% or less to preserve longevity.
They also do it on their own. Charge the batteries to 100% and just leave them, after 10 days or something they automatically discharge to a storage level.
 

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Pisses me off that some businesses have free charging stations, such as peavey mart. If they are going to offer freebies to some customers, they should be putting a little gas into the rest of the customers vehicles to make things equal. No way the rest of the customers should have to pay for energy so the rich guy can run his Tesla.
 

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Poke a hole in a gas tank then poke a hole in a propane tank and tell me what you'd rather be sitting on top of in the event of an accident.
I'd rather be trapped in a vehicle with a propane tank that is venting and burning somewhere outside the passenger compartment than have a pool of gasoline underneath the whole car on fire......!!!
 

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Pisses me off that some businesses have free charging stations, such as peavey mart. If they are going to offer freebies to some customers, they should be putting a little gas into the rest of the customers vehicles to make things equal. No way the rest of the customers should have to pay for energy so the rich guy can run his Tesla.
That's funny too, my dad recently noticed the charging station a our local peavey mart..... he went inside and asked for his 5 dollar bill..... they looked at him funny, he said well if you're paying to charge electric vehicles.........
 

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But that energy efficiency though...
Yup, just like diesel was cheap relative to gas in the 70's until people started buying diesel cars in creating the demand, then the price of diesel shot up to the same price as gas more or less. Then there was propane.SUPER cheap (in the .06/litre range) until people started to convert their cars/truck over to propane then, with the increased demand, propane shot up to near the price of gas. Same thing will happen to electricity if electric cars get any traction (no pun intended). The problem is, like in the past, consumer suffer greatly. Before diesel was used to any degree in cars, it was half the price of gas, now, all industries that rely on diesel (highway transport, farms, mining, logging etc) pay the inflated price for fuel and that added cost is passed on to end users (directly or indirectly). Before propane was used in cars it was dirt cheap but now, people who rely on propane are paying the inflated price brought on by it's use in vehicles and so it will be with electricity. Put an abundance of electric cars on the road and the price of electricity with skyrocket to the point that it will be more or less on par with gas and diesel but we will ALL be paying that inflated price at home. Not to mention that there is little if any emission saving s since that electricity has to be generated somehow. Just another big scam IMO and we will all pay the price in the end in spades.
 
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