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well I'm sure afew of you remember last year with my 8010 from the posts on the old site. well I've been kinda quite this year. Mother Case took her away and updated JJC105350 last summer. and all looked great. went to the field in beans running circles around our other combines after they increased the power. until the CVT on the rotor burned up I mean fried I was cutting some heavy beans with the dew on just to mess with the little combines. and bang. well got that fixed pretty easy, the boys at Mo Valley Imp are good with 8010's any more. finished beans no problems except the elevator chain was updated in teh update or the reel to ground speed. the spreader works great now no problems. we're off to corn Had some tremendous irr corn had some go 309 bpa that will slow anything down fiels that averaged 250 it was easy to put 5700 bph through her never slow down unloading and still have power to go more yet absolutely no loss and a prefect sample but you need round bars in to do that I think. you could step out of the cab and the machine just smelled like to was making popcorn so much was going through it. until one day I lost my fan speed! long story short the Hyd pump that drives it broke a shaft. had to wait for a new one over nite.
As corn harvest is rolling along one day my control pressure beeped? So I looked her over and after everthing I know what to look for lo and behold teh rotor CVT burnt up again. and the only ones in CANADA because the new 2005 8010 they sold had just burnt its rotor drive up a couple days before. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH and Mother case says no one else is having this problem? went through 3 sets of new and improved feeder chains. I think being it is under warranty we replace them a lot. but for the most part it work very well. 8010's have some issues yet. mostly from these young engineers having to learn the hard way. corn head is excellent and I have grown to like a 2020 I even bought a new 35' one. TSG seems to think their is a oil flow problem of some kind in my machine. it's going to get flow checked all over before fall. and it's still under warranty and wheel bolts 13.25 for a wheel bolt and they break right off.
Their it is, the bloody truth, it's a great machine the best on the market bar none (I've been to germany and ran a 590r) it will have a 16 row corn head before long and resale as well. I'd like to hear if anyone else has been tearing these rotor drives up. or if they've discovered a problem. farmertony
 

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Just curious, why would you say that you can probly get a perfect running the round bar concaves in corn? I have my 8010 coming in a couple months.. I use to run a STS and hate the round bar.. Is the round bar on the 8010 good in beans as well or no?
 

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The 8010 that I used this fall was the biggest piece of junk that I have ever seen in my life. It was bought in the middle of fall and from day one it was broke down everyday for at least a 3 or 4 week period.

It was one of the early models with all of the updates but that didn't seem to matter. It had many hydraulic leaks, computer problems and sensors going bad quite often.

I've never been so upset at something in my life. Every time something would get fixed something else would break.

I'm a very unpleased Case-IH customer to say the least.

Farmertony, are you getting a 35ft 2020 head for next year? My dealer says they don't even make them, but I shouldn't be surprised about anything they say anymore.
 

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Hi Farmertony...

Been watching your posts and your saga on the other board. I've done product support for 8 8010's over the past two years and am interested in your CVT issue. None of my CVT's have given any trouble at all, but then our conditions are different.

I would imagine that our max load on the CVT would be doing long tough damp straw, (cerials) at 900+ RPM on the rotor, hi range, at 115% HP on the engine. I wonder how that would compare to your CVT load in beans? I snuffed the combine a couple of times (too much on the go stick!) in that condition, but the CVT handled it well.

We also did some 60 bu+ canola this year, very heavy swath, 600 Rotor RPM, second range, that plugged the rotor when we took in a beaver pile! Again, the CVT handled it.

The combines that I chase have about 4000 hrs in total and the CVT's have been strong. I had one pump that supplied the fan circuit go, broken connector inside.

My connections in Canada tell me that there was one CVT failure in Canada, in all the 8010's here, so I'm very interested in what you have to say.

Other than that, we have a very good run with our 8010's in '05, especially with the HP update. Running that 440 HP all the time really made the machine fly! The 06's will have 450...can't wait for harvest!
 

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round bars in corn 2 sets in the middle stops the hair pinning of trash you don't have to run your concave tight beleive me it works ona 8010 but not in beans!! all of them with 12 row corn heads run them here and CaseIH will have a 35' 2020 in 2006 I saw one run last fall the 2003 combines had problems I think most big things are over now I have not had any electrical problems except reel to ground speed
 

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I have lots of pictures from when it was being built til now.

OK the CVT issue we took it to a hyd shop in omaha and was told the inside o ring a flat hard little devil was attaching itself to the out side and spinning on teh shaft making it blow I can take pictures of the inside of the CVT and send them to you if you want to see what happened mine did it last year as well so it has had 3 rotor cvt's on it. have you guys had trouble with the feeder chains? one of teh 8010 has a rock trap and has no problems with his feeder the rest of us don't have a rock trap and tear up chains. the shaft in that triple pump broke in mine as well why? poor manufacturing but this cvt has it everyone baffled
 

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A couple of pics would be great. I'm a little undecided about the feeder chains. We're replacing them under warrenty this winter on a couple of machine, but I don't know if was a default or a tensioning problem. Considering the amount of material going up the house, the chains are going to take a beating... let me think on that one for a while.

All our machines have rocktraps. We have had to adjust the pressure in the feeder clutch by shimming them up. There seemed to be a slight hesitation when the material was going through the spiral beater on the trap, which would cause it to plug. It seemed to depend on the way the straw was being fed, head first, stem first or tangled. Tangled gave me the most trouble, and would reduce capacity. You could hear a buzz from the rock trap which meant you were on the "edge". Some times it would clear, other time the cluch would go.

It's interesting that your non-trap machines had more feeder chain problems. I wonder if the increased capacity in not having the spiral beater would make that big a difference on the chains... I'm going to have to ponder that one as well.
 

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to Farmertony!

had the same problems on the experimental 8010 that we tested for CaseIH in fall 2004 here in Europe in corn. As I remember we got 4 times a new CVT Rotor gear box till they recognized that the hydraulic pressure that closes the clutch in it is too low ( only 16 bar instead of 25 bar). This caused an earlier breakdown of the clutch and a burnout of the CVT box.

As we ordered a 2005 model the year after to run for us, we were very surprised that it came with the same fault: the pressure was low again, and first they explained that it has been changed to a new clutch with a new pressure. After two days of cutting suddenly the rotor disengaged several times, we changed the pressure and the machine ran the full season without problems on this part, but we'd others.

You can see a weblog in English on Lance's homepage, button Harvest in Europe 2005, on the left side for more information!

TomIH
 

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Farmertony,

I'm talking about control pressure ( its that technical english that sometimes makes problems to me).
Since we have changed to 25 bar the CVT ran without any problems!

If it shows on the monitor when combine is running at least 2 hours ( oil is warm-hot) always "system pressure low" you have probably got this problem.

I can tell you that it was frustrating during 2004 harvest to have this problem at least once a day!!!
 

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I'd rather run a 8010 than a 590r it will pick more hands down but it has no resale you give the 8010 some more power and a 16 row head it probly will eat a 590 (9010?) 590 to big and heavy and too much stuff to go wrong


I know all about control pressure thats not my problem ussually when it crashes something blew out inside chopper unloader feeder or rotor drive new system is a lot better but the seal in my 8010's rotor CVT is another problem all together

any one know how to post pictures on here?
 

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Farmertony:

The way I was reccommended, and the way I reccommend it is going to www.photobucket.com. And uploading pictures there. You will have to create a username, but it is pretty simple to upload them to a website. I run my pictures at 600-700 size to make them fit the page nicely. If you change the size you will have to do that on your computer with a program of some sort that you might have, but it is not a neccessity. After uploading then it gives three different links sort of, and you can copy or cut the bottom one, and paste it into a message. And then you can preview your message to see if the picture got loaded from the site. I hope you can understand all my gibberish. If you have any question PM me.


Jacob
 

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In response to "westcoastjunkie" with 8010 questions from another thread....

One thing I have found in working with 8010 owners, is that they run their machines "close to the edge" if you know what I mean. Several operators said the same as you that they were not afraid to run at capacity, because the deslug feature works so well.

The rumble you feel when the rotor is about to plug comes from the fact that you are putting huge amounts of torque into the rotor. This is especially evident in canola. I cannot speak on behalf of CaseIH, but I would assume that as long as you deslug as per the instructions in the op. manual you would be all right.

I commented on the 06 changes in another thread, but the highlights are more HP (450), user selected engine power curves from the display screen, and many others.

Good luck with your 8010's. Are they 06 models? I'm sure you will be pleased with their performance. As you probably noticed, there are a number of 8010 owners on this board, and they are all willing to share their experience with you. Hopefully we can chat one evening.
 

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F. Tony wrote:
"I'd rather run a 8010 than a 590r it will pick more hands down but it has no resale you give the 8010 some more power and a 16 row head it probly will eat a 590 (9010?) 590 to big and heavy and too much stuff to go wrong"

Personnaly, Id rather have the cab of the 8010 (oh man is that NICE!) and the guts of the lexion. Our problems have been minimal compared to what you have experienced with the less moving parts 8010.

What machine has no resale?
We traded a class 6 lexion for a class 7 lexion.......cost was $12 per acre. Zeigler has 2 used 8010's for sale.

I realize not everyone has a great lexion dealer like we do. and could be a reason why lexions have not prospered as well as they could.

I agree with you on the weight issue
, its in desparate need of tracks, so does the 8010 with a 30 foot corn head.
 
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