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Not sure what show you've been going to but Agco has been bringing combines for years. The 3 Agco machines will be together in the Canada room.
I've been to every Ag-Days since the 80's and almost every day of the show too! I'm less certain about the Massey combine, but I know there hasn't been a Gleaner there every year. One of the threads complaining about Gleaner and Ag-Days, there are several... https://www.thecombineforum.com/forums/9-gleaner/248073-s98-ag-days.html

Your Claas sunglasses must be really obscuring your view! Been Current model Massey and Gleaner combined at the Agco booth whenever I have gone.
I swear that Claas combine in my avatar triggers some people...ha ha
Clearly I am biased against AGCO, because the majority of the equipment on my farm is made by them!!!:wink:

are U going to the show? I've heard nothing but good things about it.. and I'm thinking of heading east to take it in for a day..
Just one day? Maybe make the loop in a day if you don't stop and chat, which is easier I guess when you are from another province. Could easily burn two days at this show IMO. BTW hotel rooms in Brandon are very hard to get during the show(Mon-Wed nights). If coming Thursday could probably get a room after the show that night because everyone clears out pretty fast.
 

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I can't imagine that the representatives from all the Manitoba Massey and Gleaner dealers will be in a very good mood at the show when the IDEAL (which they are not allowed to sell) is parked beside the older Massey and Gleaner combines in the Canada room, and they are forced to tell everyone that if they want to buy an IDEAL they have to go talk to the Lexion dealer in the other room.

I really thought that AGCO would have this mess sorted by now, but it seems like the only time that they are not shooting themselves in the foot is when they stop to reload.
 

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I can't imagine that the representatives from all the Manitoba Massey and Gleaner dealers will be in a very good mood at the show when the IDEAL (which they are not allowed to sell) is parked beside the older Massey and Gleaner combines in the Canada room, and they are forced to tell everyone that if they want to buy an IDEAL they have to go talk to the Lexion dealer in the other room.

I really thought that AGCO would have this mess sorted by now, but it seems like the only time that they are not shooting themselves in the foot is when they stop to reload.
Well boo hoo, the exhibit space in the Canada room where the Ideal will be displayed next to the "old" Massey and Gleaner combines just so happens to belong to AGCO. Whereas the exhibit space in the Manitoba room where the Claas combine and other various AGCO equipment is belongs to AG WEST. So no big surprise that AG WEST is gonna display the CLAAS combine that many of their customers use instead of a combine that has not even seen field time in the province...

Tell us Deadalus, where do you farm and what equipment do you run?

I will be glad to see the thing whatever room it's in. Maybe the close proximity to the other AGCO dealers and their equipment will serve as a good opportunity for them and certain customers to whine about how the machine is badged. :wink:.
 

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As a farmer ,it’s nice too see Agco bring a new combine to market and what badge or colour it is I would careless.
Hope it is competitive in performance and pricing .
Hats off to a company that’s trying!!!
 

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Hope it is competitive in performance and pricing .
Hats off to a company that’s trying!!!
Oh, I think they’re all trying, it’s just that Agco has been sucking hiny until now.
Sure pricing and performance will fall in line with the rest.
 

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As a farmer ,it’s nice too see Agco bring a new combine to market and what badge or colour it is I would careless.
Hope it is competitive in performance and pricing .
Hats off to a company that’s trying!!!
Viewing from afar the debate about colour and badging is not so much about petty colour wars. More about dealer location and which dealer is allowed to sell and support this machine. I bet it would be galling driving 2km and passing your local Agco dealer but having to continue another 80km to another Agco dealer to get parts. Same would apply to paying mileage for service vehicles and personnel.
 

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Viewing from afar the debate about colour and badging is not so much about petty colour wars. More about dealer location and which dealer is allowed to sell and support this machine. I bet it would be galling driving 2km and passing your local Agco dealer but having to continue another 80km to another Agco dealer to get parts. Same would apply to paying mileage for service vehicles and personnel.
This is exactly my frustration. At this point, the only dealer who can sell IDEAL in Manitoba won't even take AGCO combines on trade (even ones that they originally sold), never mind sell any new AGCO combines. Meanwhile, the dealers who want to sell IDEAL are shut out.
 

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Surely there has to be a reason to limit dealers, just my assumption but if they have limited numbers produced atm it sorta makes sense to limit dealers. Not much point having hundreds of dealers with no product to sell, their has to be some logical reason behind it. If only 1 in 5 red or green dealers could sell combines how would they survive? I’d image when there is a few hundred new machines sitting around they will happily sell them anywhere they can.

I don’t know much about these IDEAL’s but my first impression is that that they are being compared to current machines, by the time that they are readily available won’t the competition have evolved as well?
Most people tend to stick with what they know, to me these things need to a long way ahead of the pack to gain any of the market share for Agco
Just thinking out loud.
 

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The dealer stores are really the next big questionmark ??
They try to gain as many stores as possible, but the next round is which stores are gonna be closed .
I mean less farmers = less units (bigger)
Big farm shops and qualified mechanics working for farmer.
RB auctions,
I can’t understand how those $10 million/piece bought up dealerships make there payments.
 

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AGCO has put little to no effort at displaying combines st the local shows either. Local dealers haven’t even brought new Gleaners as they are so out Claas’d :22:

It’s nice to see they finally have a machine to get behind.

Don’t see why the massy gleaner camp is so but hurt over where they have to go to buy it.

It is surprising that Ag west would get it. I’m pretty sure our local AGCO store had to split off to sell Claas. Kinda forget what company drew the line though.
 

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Generally comes down to wanting to deal with the same people they have, in some cases, for decades.
Service and support is just as important as the machine itself. Especially with a combine.

And Agwest will no longer service the AGCO (and Versatile) equipment that we bought from them.
 

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That doesn't sound right. AgWest is even trying to service the equipment we didn't buy from them
What brand is your equipment? Are they trying to sell you a Claas?

We have been forced to go elsewhere, and I know for a fact that we are not alone.

At any rate, I really don't want to beat up on them. They have the right to do whatever they want, and focus their business on whatever brand they feel will bring them success.
 

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John Deere equipment. Possibly trying to get us into Claas and more Challenger. Could be because We also aren't near any of the main dealerships, so in our area they just have a big service truck that they have a mechanic for, servicing mainly Claas. But in the spring its slower for him. Not many Challengers around. A few Rogators.
 

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I would imagine releasing the IDEAL combine as a Fendt badged brand initially, was an olive branch extended to the the Caterpillar affiliated AGCO dealer groups in the northern Great Plains in the USA and Canada which are invested in selling the Claas Lexion brand. There’s no telling who all owns Claas North America, since it appears to be a private company that insists that their combines are yellow, not likely grey, or green & white any time soon.

That being said, I very much doubt that AGCO has any policy forbidding a Massey or a Gleaner dealer from taking on the Fendt line of product if the dealer wants to make the staff training investments etcetera. I do think the electronic operating systems in the IDEAL are going a bit beyond what some people have been trained for so far, so there is a need to prepare support staff, no matter what colour overalls they wear.

When something with this type of electronic architecture gets struck by lightning in your yard you’ll be happy to hire someone that’s been schooled to fix what you can’t possibly diagnose all on your own. Don’t ask me how I found out!
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What brand is your equipment? Are they trying to sell you a Claas?

We have been forced to go elsewhere, and I know for a fact that we are not alone.

At any rate, I really don't want to beat up on them. They have the right to do whatever they want, and focus their business on whatever brand they feel will bring them success.

Case in hand. Why so but hurt because they tried selling you a Claas combine? Boo hoo.

I asked our local AGCO and they said no way they’d take it on. Just to massive of an investment to service the product let alone inventory it.

Why is it any surprise that initially it’s going to be a fairly limited dealer base.

You should be kissing AgWests boots if you actually had any real interest in this machine because it’s going to be the conglomerate dealers that can actually take these on and service them.

Rather than taking your marbles and playing in the corner.
 

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I would imagine releasing the IDEAL combine as a Fendt badged brand initially, was an olive branch extended the the Caterpillar affiliated AGCO dealer groups in the northern Great Plains in the USA and Canada, which are invested in selling the Claas Lexion brand. There’s no telling who all owns Claas North America, since it appears to be a private company that insists that their combines are yellow, not likely grey, or green & white any time soon.

That being said, I very much doubt that AGCO has any policy forbidding a Massey or a Gleaner dealer from taking on the Fendt line of product if the dealer wants to make the staff training investments etcetera. I do think the electronic operating systems in the IDEAL are going a bit beyond what some people have been trained for so far, so there is a need to prepare support staff, no matter what colour overalls they wear.

When something with this type of electronic architecture gets struck by lightning in your yard you’ll be happy to hire someone that’s been schooled to fix what you can’t possibly on your own. Don’t ask me how I found out!
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Apparently there is an exclusivity clause in the Fendt dealer contracts. This isn't really unusual, and normally shouldn't be a problem, unless the dealer which has that exclusivity isn't interested in marketing the product, which appears to be the case in Manitoba. This leaves an obvious gap.

If it is AGCO's intention to eventually replace all their existing combines with the IDEAL, which their representatives have more or less acknowledged is the case, the only dealers in Manitoba who actually sell any AGCO combines will be left orphaned without any product to sell, forcing us to go to another manufacturer altogether.

Any new line of equipment requires a lot of training and commitment by a dealership. The specific technology used on the Ideal isn't really much different than what is in other equipment, there's just a lot more of it in one place.
 
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