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anyone using it , to what degree of satisfatcion, and how ,? incorporated or spread and left ?
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I haven't used it yet thinking about it though. I was told it was designed to be spread and left on top so the granules had room to expand and let the sulfur out. I'm curious on the economics is it cheaper to spread a bunch every three years or so like they recommend or just keep putting 21-0-0-24 on every year our soil requirements are fairly high for canola but don't need much on cereals. hope you get some feedback
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I used some 4 years ago. I put 10 lbs on every thing I seeded in my 3rd tank. Then I talked to the rep in November about it and told him what I he'd done. He told me I needed to put at least a 100 lbs a acre on yearly or don't even bother. So I haven't bothered since.
We just started using tiger90 this year. We have a double shoot system and pulled one hose out of the opener and wired/taped/hose clamped/etc it to the back of the shank so it could blow on the ground. Honestly though, there was still quite a bit incorporated in the furrow. Didn't see any sulphur deficiency this year. Since there was quite a bit in the furrow, I'm thinking of just blowing it down with the seed/starter next year.
Like crw said, the Tiger rep told me to bump the rate the first year as all of the S isn't available in year1. He didn't say 100lb/ac though! If normally putting on 30 lb/ac of S, he recommended going to 40-45 lb for the first year. We needed 36MT total, but would have had to pay the freight for 43MT anyway, so we ordered a full 43MT and bumped the rates on the canola ground. (Left the cereals at our regular 15 lb of S.)
Downside of course is that you need another compartment in your cart (and a truck) to handle it. Unless your supplier can blend it for you. (Ours can't.)
Have a neighbour that spreads it in the fall every second year on his cereal stubble for the following canola crop. (He spreads enough for the canola and the cereal crop.)
Haven't priced it since last winter, but at the time it was the same $/MT as 21-0-0-24. You do need to factor in the extra N that you aren't getting from the Tiger90, but still much more economical.
I am looking at moving to a program of Tiger90, 0-0-60, 82-0-0 in the fall. Highest concentration products equals more bang for the buck. Then just seed and phos in the spring.
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Like crw said, the Tiger rep told me to bump the rate the first year as all of the S isn't available in year1. He didn't say 100lb/ac though! If normally putting on 30 lb/ac of S, he recommended going to 40-45 lb for the first year. We needed 36MT total, but would have had to pay the freight for 43MT anyway, so we ordered a full 43MT and bumped the rates on the canola ground. (Left the cereals at our regular 15 lb of S.)
Downside of course is that you need another compartment in your cart (and a truck) to handle it. Unless your supplier can blend it for you. (Ours can't.)
Have a neighbour that spreads it in the fall every second year on his cereal stubble for the following canola crop. (He spreads enough for the canola and the cereal crop.)
Haven't priced it since last winter, but at the time it was the same $/MT as 21-0-0-24. You do need to factor in the extra N that you aren't getting from the Tiger90, but still much more economical.
I am looking at moving to a program of Tiger90, 0-0-60, 82-0-0 in the fall. Highest concentration products equals more bang for the buck. Then just seed and phos in the spring.
Andrew
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My rep figures blow it on in the fall , on top preferably, 60-65lbs, I was thinking to apply it with edge and some of next yrs npk, make best use of the floater,
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If you are going to blow it on i would go with a 100lbs. We did it 3-4 years ago. It sure lowered the ph of our soil from around 8 to 7.2 by the year after.
If you put 1.1 pounds of tiger 90 down you get 1 pound of sulfur that will get converted to sulphate sulfur during the season. Elemental sulfur is about putting it down this year for next few years. Putting down 15 to 20 pounds every year in a balanced fertility program allows 15 to 20 pounds of sulphate available for upcoming years. S++ takes some planning and consistency.
Or just put sulphate down for the year you use it and don't worry about planning.
Or just put sulphate down for the year you use it and don't worry about planning.
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It was at the booth at agri trade in red deer. My local fert guy said that much would lower our already low ph even further. Plus no way do I need that much sulfer for anything.
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We blew on 100 Tiger 90 last fall. Left it on the surface. This spring we simply harrowed and sowed our canola. Logistics for seeding were great, only seed and phosphate. Yields were no different from our canola where we placed S with seed. Year two will be wheat and year three back to canola. Year three will be the real test.
Exactly!I have been using it for a long time, maybe 15 years now??? I just put the same P+S blend down every year which likely has 25# of S in it. Never any symptoms of deficiency since I started. I have NEVER missed ammonium sulfate.
This is what I am planning to do as well.I have been using it for a long time, maybe 15 years now??? I just put the same P+S blend down every year which likely has 25# of S in it. Never any symptoms of deficiency since I started. I have NEVER missed ammonium sulfate.
Andrew
We had the entire customer base using 0-0-0-90 twenty five years ago. Adding a maintenance amount to a blend, or with straight 11-52-0 doesn't take much space, because it has a very heavy density and the half sphere shape of the granule, at least at that time, mostly just filled the voids between the other products.
If you extrapolate the nutrient costs of some of the products out there today, its pretty alarming.
It was a good place to shop. You could get ammonia, urea, granular phosphate or potash fresh from a railcar, as well as phosphoric acid, Tiger 90 or any micro nutrient you desired, and home made credit to boot.
It was a good place to drop by when the grim reaper of economics came calling.
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If you extrapolate the nutrient costs of some of the products out there today, its pretty alarming.
It was a good place to shop. You could get ammonia, urea, granular phosphate or potash fresh from a railcar, as well as phosphoric acid, Tiger 90 or any micro nutrient you desired, and home made credit to boot.
It was a good place to drop by when the grim reaper of economics came calling.
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So does tiger 90 need to be broadcast? I have been using amsul on canola/hemp year. I am thinking about putting it in blend every year except probably soybeans. Don't seem to need much. Wouldn't be hard to add to sideband. Is it available sooner broadcast? more even distribution on field? Am not really looking to add another field operation if it could just be added to blend
Absolutely ok to sideband in a blend, its what we do. It just takes longer to break down. But that is where putting it on every year is important. Put both sulphate and elemental down the first couple years, then the breaking down of the elemental negates the need of sulphate - at much less cost.
Definitely don't need to broadcast.
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This will be our 3 rd year broadcasting T90. We spread 110 lb of product in the fall, we have seen no S issues in our canola. We use all liquid so T 90 is an awesome fit considering we can put 110 lb of T 90 down for close to the same cost of 25 lbs of S from 15-00-20. T 90 does need to be spread to maximize the breakdown of the prill and the conversion rate to sulphate.
Do you put down 110 lbs every year?
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We put 110 lb/ac on in the fall prior to canola. We should get 3 yrs out of the app. We have seen no deficiencies in our canola
Have been using it 50/50 with 21-0-0 for a few years and this year went all tiger 90, like has been said, no ill effects that we can tell, if you are truly deficient in S you need a lot broadcast, if S values are ok than the tiger 90 program will work, less material, less plugging in humid conditions probably a wash on dust is my experience.
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