[aussiefarmer76]

Tow between or tow behind? We use tow between no wheel tracks can use bin to spread urea , so tow behind is it better? Can you use your bin to spread urea?

Well, maybe.
Any demand?

 

[sinapisalba]

Tow behind. I'd rather compact the humps between the seed furrows after the seed is in the ground, than the whole seedbed before the opener gets to it.
Same with moving equipment and trucks in the field. If there is a choice, they always get driven on seeded ground rather than the to-be-seeded ground.

 

[wheely]

Have had both in the same paddock and could not tell the difference. I thought the tbh may have pushed triflan into the furrows but couldn't see any damaged. With a tbt you can add a tbh liquid cart later if you want

 

[RunninREDharD]

No difference unless you have to till the field before seeding. Then you want to go tow between because of seed compaction on the seed rows. I myself prefer tow between because I load the cart with tandems. I can drive up to one of them without moving the truck in the field. I also found that hoses are way shorter and my fan rpm didn't have to be as great so there is less hoses to replace when they wear out. It is also closer to the tractor to where I am filling and when checking seed runs, I can walk along the full backside without having to go around the cart.

The big advantage to tow behind is being able to monitor machine/straw drags if that occurs behind the midframe. The other advantage is it is easier to work around obstructions and turn at the headlands. I have used both but still prefer tow between. I believe I also have less side draft in hilly land but that is debatable as they both tend to creep sideways and cause seed rows to line up with each other.

 

[alfred123]

Don Boles is going to be on this like white on rice. Everyone around here has tow behind however I kind of want to try tow between next time free ballast and hauling a loaded tow behind down the road when its 700+ bu is sort of a snakey thing when it gets that weight moving around all the way back there. So I want to try tow between instead of using ballast to add traction to the tractor why not add the load to the tractor that's how semi trucks do it.

 

[RunninREDharD]

I have never regretted the tow between. As you said, you gain ballast which also helps pull you up the hills. Good point allfred123 as I didn't realize with larger carts that it gets more snakey and unstable during road transport. I certainly have had no issues with the center castor wheel breaking off as it is non-existent in a tow between setup. I guess nowadays with the bigger carts can you still put some weight on the tractor drawbar or not? Can you even get a 700 bushel cart that rests on the drawbar?

 

[Highmarker]

Dosent seem to be much difference between the two in emergence and we had both seeding in the same field last spring. I like the tow between for the traction and as the tank empties the compaction goes down because you don't have to weight up the tractor as much.

 

[aussiefarmer76]

So filling a tow behind do you back the seeder up to truck?

 

[wheely]

So filling a tow behind do you back the seeder up to truck?

That would be fun with castor wheels on the front of the cart

 

[Andrew_D]

So filling a tow behind do you back the seeder up to truck?

Generally, you drive the truck to the seeder.

Having said that, if you have a cart with either no front wheels (SM) or front casters (JD) instead of a front steerable caster (BG), you CAN back them up.

My uncle did that for years towing a JD777 cart (same as FC1610 I think) back in the day. He had two trucks with augers set up in the field and would back the drill and cart in and use both augers to fill.

Andrew

 

[Andrew_D]

We've always been tow behind, mostly for the visibility issue mentioned above.

However, I'd like to try a tow between next time, I think. Again, for the issues mentioned above. My operator is concerned about being able to see residue plugs. Many have mentioned using cameras mounted on the rear of the cart. How many cameras are folks using? I was thinking 3 - 1 straight back, and then 2 more angled out to the sides?????

Another reason that I've also heard for tow between, is that they are slightly cheaper. Mostly due to less tires. As we go to bigger carts, those front tires are getting pricey! They aren't a single 16.5L anymore!

Andrew

 

[bud]

On my quote bourgault tbt tanks cost more than tbh. Not sure how they can justify it.

 

[anythingbutgreen]

Tow behind. I'd rather compact the humps between the seed furrows after the seed is in the ground, than the whole seedbed before the opener gets to it.
Same with moving equipment and trucks in the field. If there is a choice, they always get driven on seeded ground rather than the to-be-seeded ground.

Thats the first time I've heard someone use all those examples. Do you have one of them tow behind tractors too that would also help out

 

[712alberta]

On my quote bourgault tbt tanks cost more than tbh. Not sure how they can justify it.

Thats bazar when we were looking at flexicoil the tow between was $12,000 cheeper.

 

[alfred123]

Tow betweens go up to 800 bu now I have heard some people justify the TBT price premium because the frame needs to be so much stronger to carry the stress or draft of the drill pulling through it. I wouldn't miss my flexi coils annual caster assembly failure either with a TBT and the cameras on drills now are so good I wouldn't worry about the visibility issue

 

[sinapisalba]

Thats the first time I've heard someone use all those examples. Do you have one of them tow behind tractors too that would also help out

I would if I could, but in the mean time I can run 8 psi in the tractor tires, the cart tires are 4X that. Soil compaction correlates to tire pressure.

 

[Andrew_D]

I just did a quick search for Bourgault. I didn't look too hard, so only found the MSRP sheet for the 6000 series (http://www.bourgault.com/Portals/0/...dFile3822dca7-182a-4400-8483-4bb8d54eed44.pdf). Pages 4 and 9 are the trailing and leading 6550's.

The base price for the leading is $105,074. Trailing is $95,731. Difference of $9343.

Metering prices are the same.
Monitor prices are the same.
Dual 650 prices are the same.

Trailing would add $4786 for the front tire package. So that brings the difference to $4557.

Air kit: For some reason, the leading include a single shoot air kit, but for the trailing it costs extra. Add $878 to the trailing. Difference is $3679.

Fan prices are the same.
Assuming no rear hitch for the trailing.
Assuming no other added options, or that any added are the same price between the units.

So yes, bud is correct. BG wants $3679 more for leading vs trailing. This was on a June 2011 price list.

Andrew

Edit: Anyone have a price comparison for SeedMaster? They don't have front tires on either the TBT or TBH, so the difference "should" mostly represent the frame strength differences.

 

[alfred123]

Seedmaster has a different tank for TBT a 630 the 520 and 820 are tow behind. Seedhawk use or did till 2016 models came out the exact same tank for TBT or TBH just flip air system around.

 

[farmerandy]

They both have lots of pros and cons. I think if I got another flexicoil I would get tow between and run cameras, just because the weak front castors and spindles can be a real pain. Wouldn't mind the extra ballast either.

 

[RunninREDharD]

If you put on cameras make sure they are good ones. I have such a dust boil in the frame that I can only see dust and never plugs. I was disappointed. I ended up mounting those 2 cameras inside the tanks instead. I just left one on the back for road transport so I can see if someone is coming from behind.