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Looking at a track tractor for the seeding rig
Have the choice between a demo Challenger MT 856E, Versatile 620DT or a low hour Case Quad trac.
The Challenger is very well priced, but I dont know what the ride is like with these two trackers.
The Versy is new and a lot dearer than the challenger but well speced.
We have always had Case so I do know their product.
I am leading too the Challenger but unsure about the ride and berming on corners. Have a 50ft seeder so don't turn real tight.
What's everones opinions on these machines and wouid buying the Challenger be a mistake.
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I’d go with the challenger. The cat motor is a great lugging engine and transmission is very reliable. I can’t comment on the ride compared to a four track tractor but I find both of my challengers pretty smooth in the field. On the road it’s a different story thou. Very rough ride on washboard. Berming is an issue if you haul it around in a tight turn but at 50 foot you should be ok. With tracks set out wider they will turn easier with less berming too. Not a quiet ride mainly because your sat behind a big engine and above the hydraulic pump. Check to make sure the undercarriage is in good shape. Can get speedy if it’s got issues.
 

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The Challenger is a new one done 50 hrs of demos, so has the V12 Sisu which I think is quieter than the Cat engine.
 

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I have a 865E with 2000 hours on it now. They have done some off-season engine updates but it has never had any down-time in season for me. A couple of hydraulic remotes have caused issues but I have 6 so just switched when needed, the remotes are kind of a typical problem to be expected I hear. It's quiet with good torque.

As far as berming it's not too bad if fields are dry and firm, worse when soft or wet. Mine is fully weighted which doesn't help. Did run it on the roller this spring even.



I have owned several Quad-trac's in the past and do prefer the 4 track setup, but last few CNH tractors were not reliable unfortunately. The Challenger stuff has been very reliable and this two track has grown on me every year since I have run it, being reliable is part of that but other things like easy cab access is nice too.
 

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We had a Challenger 965E (articulated) last year and couldn't get rid of that POS fast enough. Constant software, electrical and hydraulic issues. While it was down, we had an 875E loaner that left on a winch truck.

Between the 2 we ended up finishing seeding about 3 weeks late, and estimate that we lost about $500k in revenue at the end of the year.

Got a Versy 610DT for this year and were much happier with it. Only a parking brake issue. Cummins motor purred away. Same Cat transmission. Better cab. Quite at idle, similar when working.

Better turning than the 875E on hills and around wet spots, not that we had many of those this year. Pulls similar in a straight line, but maybe a bit rougher than the two track across last years rows
 

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Well there you go, apparently they all break down. Maybe just roll the dice and hope you get a reliable one no matter the color.:rolleyes:

Having some dealer support and keeping initial cost down is a good place to start.
 

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I would pick between Case & Versy, I’m not a two track fan, drove one for 5 years. I would ask do you have a autosteer preference? If you had no preference I would say Versatile, it’s gonna be way cheaper than Case.
 

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Can’t really compare but the CAT challengers have been absolutely flawless for us EXCEPT the hydraulic remote issues but AGCO has been warranting them and hasn’t given us any down time other than the time to change hoses.

That said the Inline C18 Cats were clean under the hood. That V12 Sisu is a clusterfuck under there and just looks like an emissions bomb. 4 turbos and intercoolers and not a square inch for anything.

So I’m a bit shy of the E’s for now. The Sisu in our gator has been perfect though and the emissions hasn’t **** the bed yet either.
 

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I would pick between Case & Versy, I’m not a two track fan, drove one for 5 years. I would ask do you have a autosteer preference? If you had no preference I would say Versatile, it’s gonna be way cheaper than Case.
Not a real fan of the Pro 700 for steering in the Case. will be putting a Trimble steer unit in whatever colour we buy.
 

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I would pick between Case & Versy, I’m not a two track fan, drove one for 5 years. I would ask do you have a autosteer preference? If you had no preference I would say Versatile, it’s gonna be way cheaper than Case.
Jason is that bc is needing to steer around wet areas?

I imagine this is less of an issue for the OP and being based in West Aus
 

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This ^^

What’s your dealership support going to be like?
Dealer support shouldn't be an issue, the demo Challenger is going to be 90k cheaper than the Versy, and a second hand Case cheaper still.
The Challenger is far and away the best value for money, I just don't have any experience with the two track system.
Going around wet areas is something I only dream about here in West Aus.
 

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Its not even a question then the Challenger!

But why not get it out on demo? If the dealer won't demo it then he can go pound sand. It's going to play with a 50ft drill.
 

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I bet he has some of those stupid trees to go around though.:rolleyes:
Yep a few big gum trees and the odd power pole, most fields around 170 hectares(420acres) so not heaps of turning.
Bottom line is Challenger MT 865 $410 k, Versatile 620DT $500K, Case Quadtrac 550 2000+ hrs $250- $350 k.
 

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We've run a Challenger MT 765 since 2004 and really had good service with it. We always ran Case and CaseIh before that, but never a quad trac had good luck with them also. For my money though I'd go with a Challenger as the cab is quieter and the view outta the operators seat is way better then CaseIh with there stupid oil barrel for a muffler !
 

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I'd go with the Challenger with what your have listed. I have a little reservation about the Sisu engine but everything else is great. We have a quad and the C18 engine in our Challenger. Both are good tractors in our hills, the quad rides great with the cab suspension. You can't really go wrong any way but the quad is going to have little issues here and there. On the Challenger just change the reaction arm oil every engine oil change will help dramatically on their life.
 

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