[aussiefarmer76]

So how many still use treflan ? In no till ? Has any one gone away from treflan eg Sakura ? It would be good if there was a product you could put out 2 weeks before sowing or even after to cut down on man power at sowing, we are stuck with treflan until some thing better comes along, at least the worms love it,

 

[thebull]

Put Sakura down under half our wheat this year. Applied it in the rain 5 days before sowing. Was washed in with 20mm. Two paddocks had a pretty decent toad rush load and a few bad rye grass corners. Sowing was 6 weeks ago - so far paddocks are very clean so am more than happy with the result. We will be going back to Treflan next year plus Dual gold for out dual purpose canola as Chem options are very limited. Rye grass, toad rush and silver grass are our biggest issues. TT canola and lupins are now in our rotation to get on top of the silver grass issue.

 

[aussiefarmer76]

Silver grass that's not fun how do you get rid of that?

 

[NairibinFarms]

Three shots of Sakura will give you resistance so the trial results show. It's recommended to use 2L of Treflan or better still 2L of avadex. Sakura seemed to have failed miserably here in WA last year for whatever reason?

edit: I meant to say the Treflan/ avadex with Sakura......

 

[madsnake]

Three shots of Sakura will give you resistance so the trial results show. It's recommended to use 2L of Treflan or better still 2L of avadex. Sakura seemed to have failed miserably here in WA last year for whatever reason?

How dose avadex go in high numbers? Gave some a run this year on one paddock, high numbers but treflan works just trying to clean up the inrow a bit.

Madsnake

 

[thebull]

Sakura is pretty effective on silver grass down here. It is in conventional canola that the problem is compounded by grazing the crops which can mean the crops are in the ground for up to 10 months - meaning a number of silver grass germinations. 600 ml of select at the right time does the trick. It's coordinating grazing rotation with the silver grass germ that is all but impossible. By bringing in tt or lupins into the rotation we can break it's back with atrazine pretty well then follow it up with a late sown cereal using Sakura and treflan.
If we aren't on top of it by then we are back square one as on crusader works in cereals and them it's just a suppression at best. Hopefully I won't get to that step. Nothing worse than $40/ and seeing the bloody stuff still alive at the end of it.

 

[X80]

I used treflan in my 1st & 2nd trial..was useless...no good in high rainfall...had better luck with stomp 330 by itself!!! Now i use riffle (works awesome for grass..can send picks of where sprayer missed) Diuron and Bouncer gold...i still have to do a broadleaf spray at 5-6 weeks but after that its sorted...only needed if crop is poor so light gets in..hopefully cover crops help me manage this...

I may use boxer gold post emergent next year...but you need to buy early as its a struggle to get at the moment...

Ant...

 

[nhinoz]

Have sprayed out more trifluralin this year than for a number of years.
A bit onto worked ground with full incorporation but a lot in front of planters with knife points and press wheels. In my experience this tends to give reasonable control in the interrow but not so good in the furrow, meaning a later grass spray is usually required.
Rates have ranged from 800ml/ha up to 2l/ha. Obviously different paddock history and incorporation method influence this.
I feel that to get full value with trifluralin it needs to be sprayed out prior to sowing and worked in. Kelly chains do a very good job of this. But it's another operation and a lot of guys either don't have the time or equipment. In my own case I have a spray bar on my Flexicoil to apply treflan as I sow.
The spray contractor side of me doesn't look forward to calls from clients wanting to put treflan out as they sow. Spend a lot of time sitting around waiting for the planter to catch up.
Have put out a fair bit of Sakura this year on the back of some good results last year. But as NairibinFarms says resistance will soon be a problem and people need to keep this in mind and keep rotating crops and chemical groups.

 

[NairibinFarms]

It's meant to work pretty good or better so I am told. Avadex has got a pretty big push in WA this year, mainly I think to resistance build up with Treflan.
Been using avadex here for 15+ years to control wild oats on heavy country. Since moving to continuos cropping last 5 years, I don't come of 3L Treflan or 2L of T with 1 of Avadex combined with diuron & metribuzin + AMS+ LI700 + 100L/ha water for wheat & barley. I don't care whether the paddock is spotless or not, I want to keep it that way. Most of the farm I can so dry but not all is perfect.
Add to that mixed rotations and as many varied chemicals as I can use eg Terbyne, Edge etc etc. It all seems to be working pretty good....... So far!

Can't remember which ( I can check my records if you like?) but simazine or atrazine at .5kg/ha works on pasture over here for silver grass. Doesn't affect the clover used it plenty of times. Does a great job if used early & have rainfall to wash it in.

 

[jjbg]

Hey
We still use trif, with diuron + metalochlor in our wheat, trif + metribuzin + metalochlor in our barley. Spraying 1.5l/ha as a norm, but do bump up the dose to 2l/ha if the specific field has a grass problem or has a lot of stubble cover. We still get pretty good results, about 90-95% on grasses, not that hot on broadleaf weeds. The diuron and metribuzin helps to get the weeds in the furrow, as the move a bit more in the soil. Have done trails with avadex, was not impressed, twice the price of trif, half the result. Our Sakura registration only passed last year. Not very keen for it though because of the restrictions on follow up crop.

 

[madsnake]

Can't remember which ( I can check my records if you like?) but simazine or atrazine at .5kg/ha works on pasture over here for silver grass. Doesn't affect the clover used it plenty of times. Does a great job if used early & have rainfall to wash it in.

Good mate uses simazine and parquet brew on pasture, clover soon takes off. Using as per simazine label.

 

[nig71]

Been using treflan in min till for years. I think we almost may have been the original ones to suggest the idea. Back in the early nineties a neighbor observed that treflan controls doublegee on a really bad GG farm. We didn't have TT canola back then so we were spraying it in front of conventional canola and it worked fine.

This year after successive wet years I have a serious ryegrass issue so I am using in my worst paddocks 3L treflan 118g Sakura (never been applied before) and 110l water rate.

 

[NairibinFarms]

Been using treflan in min till for years. I think we almost may have been the original ones to suggest the idea. Back in the early nineties a neighbor observed that treflan controls doublegee on a really bad GG farm. We didn't have TT canola back then so we were spraying it in front of conventional canola and it worked fine.

This year after successive wet years I have a serious ryegrass issue so I am using in my worst paddocks 3L treflan 118g Sakura (never been applied before) and 110l water rate.

I thought you didn't use more than 2L @ 70l/ha water!?
You don't know anyone that has a bit of boxer gold lying around on farm??

 

[NairibinFarms]

How dose avadex go in high numbers? Gave some a run this year on one paddock, high numbers but treflan works just trying to clean up the inrow a bit.

Madsnake

What sort of seeding rates do you use? Just thinking it might help to up the rates to add competition on weeds in furrow.