[specklebelly22]

Anyone have issues with premature wearing out of the cone in flagship combine? Have 700 sep hrs and they are telling us it will not make another season. Tired of the way they build this crap. Anyone have any experience with aftermarket cones?

 

[Ohio Farmer]

There was a thread on here titled "8120 transition cone ",as of now it is on page 3 and there was some hours discussed there. A question that comes to my mind is how many hours you planning on putting on next season? I think standard rotor is good for about a 1000 hrs and extended wear double that. So if your doin more than 300 hrs next year your dealer or mechanic may be right.

 

[8850jd]

All u can do is stop buying case IH or john Deere.

I say this because everyone always associated cheap products with Agco.. But now everyone is cutting so many corners, buying new is a completely loosing concept. Red green and yellow colors are not any better build quality and always looking for cheaper parts and bearings to sell at 5x markup.
I have noticed the Agco combines are built with less parts all together.. Thus less future service sales.
Gleaner does not have a wear point like a transition cone. Deere and Massey have a beater to feed the rotor. Case IH and new Holland have to use the rotor to drag crop into the concave area.
If you plan on staying this color, expect to replace the front cone every 750-1000 hours, and in the future more likely sooner.

 

[325mag]

Spend the money and put the extended wear cone in.

 

[bent]

My 7120 had a hole before harvest. 800 separator hours. The factory was out of parts, 1 week expected for delivery, but not guaranteed. I welded a patch over the hole and ran harvest.

My 8230 only has 500 hours and it has a hole as well.

 

[WLR]

The rotor cones are a major issue. You can not expect even the extended wear cone to last a thousand separator hours. Totally nuts to have to change something that major and hard to change in that time frame.

We tried a chromed cone this year and it looks good so far. 600 + sep. hours on it.
They are very a expensive option that ought to be standard in every combine.
Case should not even build a flagship combine with a regular wear cone.

Same goes for elephant ear wear bars. They wear out way to fast.

The only way to get CNH's attention is to try and turn this stuff in under warranty. They ought to cover it.

Gleaner has not built a combine without a chromed cage since 1989. They had major issues with premature wear before they went to chrome. They are now basically good for life of the combine. That's the way it ought to be.

 

[jrsharpe]

I agree with everyone here I that they do wear out too fast as far as hours on the machine and would be a good place for them to make improvements to the machine.

We had an 89 1682 that we did the cone an at about 1200 hours. We also replaced that combine with a 91 1680 with 1100 hours that had a small hole at purchase time that I drilled out and put a 3/8 stove bolt in which is the same bolt as what holds the Veins in. Kept an eye on it and after doing this twice more, then replaced the cone when we did a new set of rub bars. Combines always require something to maintain.

These are major wear parts on the rotor machines. Considering how much more goes through the larger machines it is inevitable to need to replace the parts sooner than before. Like I said a good place for them to make improvements to better the product upward.

 

[specklebelly22]

Both our 8230s have the extended wear pkg. right now I'm pretty sure that was a waste of money. Our other machine is going in next week for inspection curious to see what the cone is like in it. We have ran 1480s, 2388s and 7088s prior to this with a **** of a lot more hours than 700 and we never did a cone in any of them.

 

[SWFarmService]

More and more iron in thease things all the time but the question is where? Not wher it belongs for sure. Cost more and more money all the time but where did they put the quality and capacity they brag about?

My 1480's made close 2000hrs on the 3 piece cones, I have extenda ware cones and one has 4000hrs on it and has lasted 3 sets of veins.

 

[ayars660]

I have a 7010, the standard cone it had in it lasted 800 sep hours, the heavy duty one we put in lasted 270 sep hours! This machine runs a 30ft head in only wheat and soybeans. When I got 800 hrs out of the standard I thought for sure I'd see at least a 1000 out of the heavy duty not 270!

 

[torriem]

Seems to be the sentiment that things just aren't built like they used to be built. But I'm not sure where that's coming from; there's no evidence to suggest this (this is often heard about the auto industry where it's just not true at all--cars have never been more reliable and long-lived on average). You guys are remembering the past with some rosy glasses. In every way I can think of the sheet metal on our 7120, inside and out, is way thicker than on machines years ago. I remember my dad patching up the sheet tin on the old 7720 after just a few years. Wore right through in the elevator door. The pickup header wore out and he had to completely rebuild the part that held the belts and bearings as it wasn't strong enough to begin with. We replaced the cone on both the 1680 and the 2188. And it wasn't after a great number of years either. I don't think we've ever head a combine more than 8 or 9 seasons. And they were wearing out in places, and we were always repairing something. We had our 7010 for about 5 seasons with no major repairs to speak of and hardly any minor ones. I think if you get 700-1000 hours out of a cone on a flagship machine, that could be the equivalent of 3-4 times that on older smaller machines. There're a lot of acres and a lot of grain going through these machines, and at a much faster rate.

 

[cptusa]

There're a lot of acres and a lot of grain going through these machines, and at a much faster rate.

Bingo. More acres per hour, more bushels per acre equals more wear per hour. Compare bushels per hour of machines now verse 20 years ago I bet you complain less.

 

[redline73]

The maintenence seems extensive on these axial machines regardless how many bph they do. Happy my cage and most wear parts will last well over 2000 hours, and its not like my bph is less than half of what a red machine will do. Ill get at least another 500 hours out of majority of my wear parts. I just replaced my bin fill auger for the first time since it was new. I think the engine meter reads around 2800 hours.

 

[Transaxial]

I agree totally torriem. We all know that throughput on modern combines wears components FAST. I can buy new steel by the pickup truck load for 40 cents a pound. Any combine company that buys 100s of semi loads gets it a lot cheaper than that. Wouldn't it make sense to put an extra 100 or 200 pounds of steel into something like a cone that is well known to be a high wear item? 200 lbs X 30 cents = $60.00 worth of steel to double? the life of a cone??? But then I am not a qualified engineer! Nor am I a qualified company economist who is calculating parts sales and service!!!. We all need to be a lot stronger at "voting with our wallet". What ever happened to the old saying that " The customer is always right" .

 

[8850jd]

I agree. We all need to be a lot stronger at "voting with our wallet". What ever happened to the old saying that " The customer is always right" .[/QUOQUOTE

I don't ever see the manufacturers ever thinking that again... Sad state but its the future we have to deal with.

 

[Ram3500]

they need to come with the extended wear I have had to replace a cone at 400 hr before same as bars for what they cost they should have all extend wear in them

 

[hwy19farm]

Dealership in East central N.D. is removing front row of bars and the pads they attach to getting rotors rebalanced.Claim is to get material further back before it starts the spin cycle.Had a cone replaced at 800 sep. hrs. wheat ,soybeans and Barley only.

 

[WLR]

Bingo. More acres per hour, more bushels per acre equals more wear per hour. Compare bushels per hour of machines now verse 20 years ago I bet you complain less.

I know there is more material going thru these combines then along time ago and they get more done. But that should not decrease life of the combine.

When you buy a 500 hp tractor that does more work then a 250 hp one are we willing to accept that it will not last as long. I don't think so.....

 

[WLR]

they need to come with the extended wear I have had to replace a cone at 400 hr before same as bars for what they cost they should have all extend wear in them

I agree. If you get the extended wear bars they will last a very long time. I have never seen any extended wear bars that needed changed. The extended wear rotor factory option is way overpriced for what you are getting though.

You can buy extended wear bars thru parts for a lot less then the factory option is if you can get credit for your take off regular bars. The extended wear rotor does not cost CNH near what they are charging for it. Also when you get the extended wear rotor with straight bars from factory, they do not even put in extended wear straight bars. Not sure why they do that.

Back to cone wear. I have witnessed small tube rotors that do not wear out the cones as fast as AFX rotors. Combines were run side by side for lots of acres. We just had to go away from small tube rotors because for rotor loss issues at the time (36 bar rotors mainly) and our dealer not liking them. The fix for small tube rotor loss now would be to put 10 degree threshing bars on a small tube like the mid range have, but that's another subject.

 

[SWFarmService]

A cone should outlast a set of guards, my goodness, this is nothing less than a joke. A cone being shot this quick is not acceptable, I consider it a catastrophic failure to have a part as important to last that little time.

It was mentioned about the auto industry that the cars last longer, and yes I belive they have done an outstanding job of making cars and trucks lighter, safer, stronger, more powerful and efficient, and more reliable by ten fold compared to twenty years ago but where is all of these things in a combine?

They are way overpriced, technology on longjevity is at a complete stand still. We are all guilty of picking equipment based on creature features, looks, and what the neighbors have at some point and trust me Deere and Case are not dumb, they know if they cover it in the right amount of plastic and make the cab nice enough people will keep buying

Hopefully with low commodity prices they will get it back together and start making machines with better productivity and quality and not just mass