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Tin creep on large span roof

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#1 ·
Our new shop is going to be going up this summer,planning to go 80' wide. On our 45' storage shed built in the 90's, there is always a lot of creaking and movement of the roof tin during sun/shade cycles and during temperature changes. Over time, it has developed some leaks.

With newer buildings that are 80' wide, what are peoples experiences? Is this still a problem? One builder is saying that using #14 screws (~1/4") on the roof will eliminate this problem. However, the last thing I want is leaks from holes that get ovalled out in 15 years. Another option is to go with the seamless roof, that has no visible fasteners, but will cost $10-$13,000 more. Anybody use this?

Another question, for those that have built 20' interior height out of wood. Have you had any issues with the walls shifting? Or are they staying straight for the most part? I have priced both wood and steel buildings. Really like the look of steel, but it is going to be minimum 150% of the price of a wood building.

Thanks.
 
#2 ·
Using a white or light colored tin helps. Do not follow the current trend with guys building black and gray sheds. We built a shed years ago and due to money restraints we just used whatever tin we could find cheap. We had dark brown and light tan on the roof. The screws were turning out in the brown tin and were good in the tan colored stuff
 
#3 ·
If a hidden fastener system is used on a building that big, I think it would cost way more than $10-13000 more, if it is done correct.

We have 22’ high walls on 2 storage sheds 80’x140’ and 80’x200’. Both pole buildings, havent seen any major shifting.
 
#5 ·
That’s interesting you found steel to be more, I have been pricing buildings 80-100’ wide and steel is looking cheaper. Up to approx 60’ trusses the pole shed is the way to go for sure though. But differs by area I realize.

Now I am worried about my blacks roofs... never thought of that, makes sense.
 
#8 ·
For a heated shop I think a wood stick frame building is easier to insulate than a steel one. As far as the 20 ft walls shifting it all depends on what you are putting them on. Are you using a footing, grade beam, or thickened slab floor. A footing or grade beam with piles deeper than 8 feet would provide a rigid beam to build on. If you pour the grade beam higher so it forms the bottom part of the wall it will decrease the length of vertical lumber for the walls. It can be difficult to find straight lumber longer than 16 feet. A lot of the 16ft lumber is junk as well. A taller grade beam is a lot stronger to if you run into it with equipment or machinery than a wood framed wall. As far as the roof if you can sheet the roof with 5/8 plywood it will be a lot better than strapping for future leaks. A lot of the colonys have roofs done this way for 30 years with no leaks. Strapping is the cheaper way but is more prone to problems. If possible I would order the roof in a light color like white in 26 gauge.
 
#11 ·
The wood ones are spec'd to have 6' of treated lumber in the ground. There is an option to drill down 8' and put 2' of concrete in the bottom of each hole, would give a lot more support for weight. I will have to look into the plywood on the roof. One builder also puts galvalume or galvanized on the roof, and then your colored tin on the sides.
 
#13 ·
Thorpy are you building cold storage or a heated shop? I have no experience with pole buildings and am not sure I am a big fan of them. If I was going wood I would sooner stick frame it on a grade beam or mount the poles above the ground on piles. That way you never worry that the wood in the ground will rot. When you build a heated shop I would build it to last 50 years. After 25 years with a pole building I would be concerned about how much of the pole has rotted in the ground. Once the poles rot how do you repair that?
 
#19 ·
I heard the opposite was better... The one builder I am dealing with said that when they couldn't get 40' sheets and had the 3' overlapped sheets they had major problems with moisture getting between the sheets and leaking into the interior.

Thank you for the help guys!
 
#24 ·
Grain bins have tremendous roof slope with very short spans. Our cold storage roof has some overlaped sheets. Where the overlap is there is some rust at the overlap area and that is with a galvanized non painted roof. Where the sheets overlap it stays wetter longer which is why maybe the rust started on ours.
 
#25 ·
Really like the look of steel, but it is going to be minimum 150% of the price of a wood building.

Thanks.
We are currently quoting out a new workshop with attached cold storage (160'x70' total, 100' is workshop, and a small 60' of cold storage), and I have found that a steel building is only going to cost about 7% more than a wood building (all in, including all concrete, slabs, insulation, interior tin liner, man doors, overhead doors, finished office space). Every structure is different of course, and this is a fairly complicated build with lots of overhead doors (20' tall), man doors (8 or so), interior office space with a small basement for water system etc.

I had many overpriced steel building quotes, but I stumbled upon Prairie Steel (based near Saskatoon) ( https://prairiesteel.com/ ) and they have given me a quote on the building package that was very affordable. Give them a call, I think Brian deals with farm buildings the most, and see if their building quote is any better.

We will be hiring a local crew to help assemble it, but it looks pretty easy to assemble if you have the time. All connections except the tin are pre-drilled so you just slip bolts in holes and tighten everything up. We visited a finished building in our area that Prairie Steel did and it looked pretty good to us.

Cheers,
Eric