Yeah. Would be nice to have a track machine. But at what cost?
I think companies like this have a chance to get into the market and undercut case, John deer, fent. And any other big brands to send a message to these bastards.
I would be interested in a BUD!

 

120’ drill with 1,300 bu tank is within reach if your tractor is 750-800 hp

 

It would have to be dry 100% of the time to pull 120’. If it’s wet in my ground 60’ with 750 bushel tank will bring a 620 to its knee's. But yeah the industry is getting there very soon.
I like the power cart idea that would come in handy many of times.

 

Wonder what it will cost to build these days? million $ tractor coming right up. Likely well over that. I think I read they plan them being 200,000lbs. Pull more than the 747?

 

That’s what I thought when I first read it, but I think they were actually saying that the axles they were off of a 200000 lb loader. So I guess that they can be potentially up to that.

 

That’s great news. Who hasn’t dreamed of owning one of these beasts.

 

If he's going to go with mining components, maybe an electric drive would be ideal. Generator and motors would be heavy, but weight is important for that much horsepower. Drive train would last forever.

 

I have always wondered if you had an electric drive tractor that you might be able to have a powered axle on an air cart. I imagine a fully loaded 1300 bu cart would probably weigh in over 60000lbs, say 2/3rds that is on the air cart axle, and with big buds math of 100lbs a hp you could be looking 400hp or so extra. Not really sure how this would actually pan out, you would potentially run into issues with the cart almost empty but most guys run half the year with over half a tank. Or you may have problems with having high voltage auxiliary connectors being handled by farmers. Just an idea.

 

If they could make these tractors on tracks it would be quite a machine.

 

Electric would be great, with power axle on the cart. Electric fans would be so much more efficient as well

 

I think there is an diesel electric tractor with an air tank mounted on it. Made in Brazil

 

And then we wonder why we have compaction. You could really see it in our area in the seeding that happened after the rain in the middle of May this year on heavy clay. The guys with 900 plus bushel carts that seeded wheat after the rain had wheat that was 8-12 inches shorter where the cart wheels went versus where the wings of the drill went especially if the ground was low ground. A Neighbor who had a 550 bushel bourgault cart did not have near as bad of a issue. It seems like if it is wet there is not enough rubber under these massive carts to keep the compaction down.

 

Those weights came out of the online brochures. I don’t think I made an error. I checked into it last fall when they were contemplating adding a new drill with a 1300 bushel tank on tires.

Normally we start scouting things out a few days too early with an aftermarket 4 track 7950 filled with 1/2 loads and those conditions slowly transition into decent running in less than a week. Maybe a 13000 bushel air cart on 8 tires won’t be at too much of a disadvantage with only 1/3 size loads in it during the first few days? We’ll see.

 

I was trying to keep a conservative estimate but it is absolutely insane how much weight is on those things. If you could put power behind that weight it would be a game changer. They could make a bunch of big electric drive tractors with oversized engines and run potentially over 1000hp to the cart. Probably would average less than that but still a lot. Absolutely insane if you think about it.

 

1300bu = 78,000lbs give or take, plus weight of tank which was mentioned above at 55,000lbs.

 

Fifty thousand - five hundred

 

The Twin Turbo Aftercooled version of the C18 is
rated at 800 HP.

I believe that would be, three cylinders delivering exhaust into one turbo and three cylinders into the other turbo with both turbos pressurizing a common intake manifold involving all six cylinders. Like an old Allis Chalmers?

https://www.wpowerproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Cat-C18-Industrial-Spec-Sheet.pdf

 

Versatile production tractors are now over a million $ for the 620 DT, this one off will be well over $2M. Basically building a tractor by buying all the parts at retail cost, plus the assembly and fabrication.

 

Just had a phone conversation with them, will be interesting to see the first few tractors being built and how they look and work. Was told they will not cost more than a green or red one to buy.

 

I don’t believe it won’t cost more then Green or Red. Sounds like 700 plus Hp coming for 2024 out of Red and Lime Green on tracks. If those tractors don’t pull what you’re trying to pull not sure you need to pull it.

 

Is one scheduled for Nebraska Tractor Test?

Had to be asked. Should produce some interesting results.

 

I’d love to get a Big Bud with 4 tracks, would be able to utilize the power without compaction.

 

Development cost alone, even using off-the-shelf mining gear, is going to be very expensive and they won't be able to amortize the development costs over very many units. I don't see how they can come out cheaper than the big boys.

We've often thought about prototyping our own large equipment but realized the cost would be exorbitant.

 

Development cost alone, even using off-the-shelf mining gear, is going to be very expensive and they won't be able to amortize the development costs over very many units. I don't see how they can come out cheaper than the big boys.

We've often thought about prototyping our own large equipment but realized the cost would be exorbitant.

Very true. Just imagine the amount of man hours it would take to build and design a tractor like that without the specialized tooling and assembly lines. The only place I can see farmers actually make equipment cheaper is if it is specialized or electronic. For that sort of stuff the price mostly makes up the software and rarity. For example people can build autosteers with agopengps andseveral hundred dollars of parts vs thousands of dollars for commercial units.

 

I could be wrong, but I think the big guys are making massive amounts of money per unit, I think there is some room there.
Sounds like they will have some running later this year.

 

Yes they are making big bucks now. But they've spent millions of dollars to make the tooling in order to produce the machines in a cost effective way. And they sell hundreds, sometimes thousands of units. If you only sell tens of units, the calculus is very different because of the up-front costs.

Will be interesting to see what they come up with. I'm sure they can buy cabs from the big companies just like a lot of sprayer manufacturers do, so at least they can have a comfortable machine, although I'm sure the cabs are not cheap to buy.

We should put a poll on this thread regarding the expected sticker price. I'm guessing at least $1m USD.

 

Bjtjjl do you know if they will be putting tracks under it?

 

"Its highly-skilled staff custom builds and rebuilds non-computerized tractors for farmers and they have a large parts department."

Non-computerised tractors. FANTASTIC ! ! ! !

What engine and transmission will they use that are non-computerised?

 

They will still have to fallow emission laws.
It’s sucks but true.

 

With regard to emissions, depends on where they are selling but they may not have to follow the same rules. I remember talking to the Belarus guy at Ag in motion a few years ago and he mentioned that they dont have to worry about emissions as that only comes in when a certain number of units are sold. Below the threshold it's classified as a specialist machine and the therefore doesn't have to be follow the emissions stuff.

 

I believe Kubota also was able to put off Tier 4 Final for quite a while while they worked through their quota under the Tier 4 regs.

As we move into Tier 5 regulations set to come into force soon, I highly doubt the old quota system will continue on now that so many years have elapsed since Tier 4 final came into force. And the current Kirovets being sold by MTZ in north America is Tier 4 final.

Of course since the Big Tractor guys are buying engine units, they will already meet current requirements. Mining equipment has been on Tier 4F for a long time now.