John Deere Tier 4I engines don't use urea at all (30% EGR though), so that could be a bonus in your books. Tier 4F does use EGR and urea.

If I were in the market, I'd get a couple of demos lined up. At least give them a thorough test drive in the dealer's lot. I think green, red, and blue tractors are all equally good. Just depends on your preferences. I think they are all about equal in terms of efficiency, ease of use, longevity, etc.

 

after running our 6130 combine im likeing tier 4... uses a half tank of fuel and 3 gallon of def a day.

why's this a bad thing again?

 

would a fendt be a consideration? or the challenger with the fendt transmission?

 

I can't help you with comparison because we have all deere tractors. Bought a 8335R last year and really like it. I would be hard pressed to give up ils, but I'm sure case makes a good tractor too. I think the new massey's look like they'd be worth a try

 

Def doesn't bother me. We don't have a fendt or challenger dealer close by.

As far as GPS I use deere now in the sprayer and tractor but I use afs in the combine so it's not a big deal.

Is deeres ils better than cases?

 

We ran all Deere's for decades. Needed a 3rd large tractor for field work. Almost 3 years ago we leased a New Holland T8020 and it goes back soon, and I believe we are gonna lease a T8.360 next. As far as operating the New Holland compared to the Deere, the New Holland feels more comfy, and turns way tighter than the Deere's. I wouldn't be able to comment on the durability over the longevity of the New Hollands since we only lease them where we own the Deere's, but in the almost 3 years we leases the New Holland, and the 5 and 6 years we've owned the Deere's, I know the Deere's have had at least 2 service calls a year for some fuel related issue. And the two Deere's are pre emission 30 series. An 8430 and an 8230. Haven't had a single problem with the blue one yet.

 

Thanks roush. It seems like case is cheaper but I'm not sure why. I know cheaper isn't always better tho.

 

Well, sort of what I was getting at, there's not much difference between a Case and a New Holland now of days. Just had my experience with the New Holland after driving Deere's exclusively for almost 30 years of my life. Had it 3 years and I'm impressed. Looking forward to the next one.

 

We're all Deere as well so I can't help with the comparison but talking to a guy who has run a JD with ILS and one without, he said the ILS is so much better than without. And I agree with farmerjones as far as the fit and finish and ergonomics of Deere's cabs, hard to beat.

In the end, a lot of it comes down to what you're familiar with and how your dealer support is. They all break down eventually so a good dealer will help a lot.

 

He wasn't kidding, the ILS is really effective. After running for years with straight axles I wouldn't buy a non ILS tractor for all the tea in China. From eliminating power hop, to keeping the tires planted over uneven ground, to just being easy on the operator.
I don't know what the Case suspended axle version is like or if it works as good as the Deere ILS or not, surely someone has run both and will chime in.

 

Yes, John Deere is nice, but the engine under that hood doesn`t know what name it has on the outside nor does it know what color is painted on the Tractor. They`re all the same. It`s just what you grow up around and like.....

 

If your buying used with a few hours then a JD 8520 or 8530 is the best row crop tractors ever made. 4Wd tractors are becoming obsolete in many parts of Australia because the FWA tractors are so good and do the job with CTF.

 

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Just got a new magnum 290 this fall. Love it so far, although only thing I've ran it on was pulling a grain cart. It has front axle suspension and suspended cab and the ride is smooth as all get out. Elected for the powershift instead of CVT, looking at those CVT/IVT transmissions I feel like it's going to cost more to fix those in the future than a powershift.

Our tractor has 5 remotes, 75gpm hydraulic pump, and we have 480/80/50's on the back, 380/80/38's on the front. I think it will be a good tractor long term, and so far I like everything the pro700 has to offer and what the tractor itself can do.

 

Just got a new magnum 290 this fall. Love it so far, although only thing I've ran it on was pulling a grain cart. It has front axle suspension and suspended cab and the ride is smooth as all get out. Elected for the powershift instead of CVT, looking at those CVT/IVT transmissions I feel like it's going to cost more to fix those in the future than a powershift.

I wonder if it might be opposite. A powershif transmission is fairly complicated with a lot of clutch packs. I don't have any statistics on reliability, but if you look at it from a purely mechanical point of view, the CVT is a whole lot simpler than the full powershift. My feeling is that the CVT is going to be as reliable or more reliable than the powershift. Certainly pulling variable loads, such as a grain cart, with the CVT will likely result in a lot less wear and tear on the transmission and drive train than the powershift. It's true the CVT has a multispeed gearbox with a couple of cluch packs that feeds into the mechanical part of the transmission, but that's a lot less than on a 18 speed powershift. I think it's only a 3-speed gearbox on Case (could be wrong but I know my john deere ivt has 2 speeds).

Really CVTs are a marvel of simplicity (Fendt has a nice clip on youtube about the Vario). They are all variations on the same principle, which is the reverse of a differential gearbox. Combining power from a direct mechanical linkage with a hydraulically transmitted variable side to control the output ratio. Thanks to advances in hydraulic motor and pumps, they now work very well indeed.

Earlier John Deere IVTs were made by ZF, and only on the smaller tractors, and they have had reliability issues over the years. The present John Deere IVT seems to have proven itself fairly reliable, from what I can see. I've not heard of our dealer mechanics complain about repairing it. The only downside to John Deere's system that I see is the shared hydraulic system between the transmission and the rest of the tractor.

 

I think they are both real good tractors. If you go Case, I would consider the mid-Magnum. It steers like crazy for planting and still big enough for tillage. Many people have them on planters around here.

 

I'll take that to mean "can't agree," not "can agree."

Perhaps CVTs are not cheaper currently due to the fact that they are new and machine companies want to milk them for maximum profit, and there are patents and licensing fees if they are too much like Fendt. And they do involve very expensive hydraulic pumps and motors. If there's a reliability question, it'd have to involve that aspect of the transmission. How long do the variable-swing, high-torque motors and pumps last and how much to replace or rebuild them?

Efficiency on the Fendt vario, is over 90% through the hydraulic portion of the transmission.

 

I am also a big fan of the ivt/ ils set ups. I won't go without. Ivt save quite a bit on fuel if you are planting, or pulling something that doesn't require a lot of power. You come to a hill, and the throttle picks up, and the speed stays the same. It will only use the power that it needs.

As far a brand goes, I think they all have their good and bad. I'm green, because I'm comfortable with the cab layout, and the dealer. I borrowed a friends case for a small job I had, and I struggled with it. He would say the same about my tractors I'm sure. Go with what you like.

 

my cousin spent a lot of time this fall in a new case, deere and massey demo tractors. he didn't like the case control layout, cab was louder then the other two and was other little things that added up to making it a distant 3rd place, he liked the deere. the massey was the nicest cab best tranny engine combo. the deere was the cheapest price out of the 3 with the best resale value. they went with the new deere and are happy they did so far. if the massey had a cheaper price or better resale they might have gone that route.

 

I was very keen on a Massey 8600. But this year I tried a 8690 and I´m very dissapointed by them. They have very good engine, transmission Fendt Vario, nice and comfortable cab.
Unfortunately they are very unreliable. Their Sisu engine have had a big issue, some elektronics troubles and some of tractors that runs in our country had to changed transmission. That all in a few hours.
Otherwise Case IH has a the new series with CVT transmission. For seeding, pulling graincards are very good idea. For field works, pulling chisel and other are better Powershift transmissions.

Have a nice day.

 

I dont know what johnny s is talking about I use our 8360 T for everything I plant,grain cart and this year I chistled 3000 acres with it. It will pull circles around our 9320 fwd. We farm alote of gumbo that is probobly some of the hardest ground in the world and you just set your speed and let it go it works great.

 

I think dealer support and service is the big issue. From what I've gathered more from listening to owners of both is they all break down. Each model series of any color seems to have their own quirks as to what will break.