[ryansk]

Realistically what is the turn around time to go from a sprayer to swather or vice-verca, and I'm going to assume there is some type of adapter needed to hook either a macdon or honeybee to it? what will that cost? I am just wondering if it is the kind of thing a guy can switch back and forth in a few hours if I need to?

 

[Kurt]

Jono , I assume your a sale's man and therefore I like to ask you.
I 'm shopping around for another sprayer and I was passenger in a nitro 275hp 1600ga 120boom. the cab is nice , lots of power, nice boom upfront but !!
stepladder at back was chemical on
boom was digging in dirt (no self leveling boom) on oneven dirt.
new machine $350000 ??????????? yak
two questions : can I buy direct and when is selfleveling boom a option??

Kurt

 

[dimerunner88]

Ran a 2275 for about 300 hrs,had a horrible rough ride and no boom suspension. We had trouble keeping the booms together,broke both outside sections off,broke the main support rod holding the boom in the air 3 times,broke both lift cylinders,severely crack the main arms coming off the machine to the booms. Worked great aslong as there wasnt a single bump in the field.

 

[cnh007]

Ran a 2275 for about 300 hrs,had a horrible rough ride and no boom suspension. We had trouble keeping the booms together,broke both outside sections off,broke the main support rod holding the boom in the air 3 times,broke both lift cylinders,severely crack the main arms coming off the machine to the booms. Worked great aslong as there wasnt a single bump in the field.

Sounds to me like more of an operator issue than one with the machine

 

[Nitro 1]

Ran a 2275 for about 300 hrs,had a horrible rough ride and no boom suspension. We had trouble keeping the booms together,broke both outside sections off,broke the main support rod holding the boom in the air 3 times,broke both lift cylinders,severely crack the main arms coming off the machine to the booms. Worked great aslong as there wasnt a single bump in the field.

WOW !!!!!! thats a lot of damage in 300 hrs you must be hard on ya gear. Cant say ive ever done that much damage to an SP in 300 hrs whatever the color! and ive had a few. As far as the Nitro goes yes there is no self level on the boom set up but we run a norac auto height and cant say the booms are hitting the ground all the time,yea sure you will hit the ground if you run through a ditch at 30KPH but then I would say to you if yr going to do that with it then nothing will stand up to that and nor should it.

 

[aussiedeere]

Jono , I assume your a sale's man and therefore I like to ask you.
I 'm shopping around for another sprayer and I was passenger in a nitro 275hp 1600ga 120boom. the cab is nice , lots of power, nice boom upfront but !!
stepladder at back was chemical on
boom was digging in dirt (no self leveling boom) on oneven dirt.
new machine $350000 ??????????? yak
two questions : can I buy direct and when is selfleveling boom a option??

Kurt

Yeah he might have a new job by now as he started this thread back in 2007

 

[bent]

Ran a 2275 for about 300 hrs,had a horrible rough ride and no boom suspension. We had trouble keeping the booms together,broke both outside sections off,broke the main support rod holding the boom in the air 3 times,broke both lift cylinders,severely crack the main arms coming off the machine to the booms. Worked great aslong as there wasnt a single bump in the field.

Thats pretty rough. I'm guessing it was tired when you got in it and you flogged it like a rented mule. With your driving habits and the rough country you spray, what did the next machine look like after the same number of total hours?

There should have been accumulators on the tip lift cylinders, which cushion the boom quite a bit.

The 4000 series has accumulators on the boom lift cylinders, and the booms ride very smooth.

 

[SKfarming]

Sounds to me like more of an operator issue than one with the machine

Really??
I thought I was the only one thinking that.

Some s**t just don't add up. But then again this guy averages 179 acres per hour with his 4930, has 1100 hours on a 09 machine and sprays 23000 acres a year. Kinda makes me wonder what the real story is, and he doesn't have time to set a boundry on the gps, that takes maybe 2.2 seconds once you know how to do it.

 

[pitw]

Really??
I thought I was the only one thinking that.

Some s**t just don't add up. But then again this guy averages 179 acres per hour with his 4930, has 1100 hours on a 09 machine and sprays 23000 acres a year. Kinda makes me wonder what the real story is, and he doesn't have time to set a boundry on the gps, that takes maybe 2.2 seconds once you know how to do it.

Could be a few road hours on the machine maybe.

 

[Kurt]

My ride was in a machine that hat the raven glide (no wheels) in it Nitro was going 6mph and hit little ditch (slough) both left and right boom hit dirt (boomheight 20 inch) next passes we were going 8 and 10mph with same result and operator let booms down manualy.
This could happen because of the raven system but my 2004 spx would do better without any raven or norac !!! no bs.

Kurt.

 

[SKfarming]

Kurt, I know exactly what your talking about. The way my sprayer was set up when it came was real good for flat ground, didn't work at all for me. I had to go in and reset sensitivity settings on the boom lift, I also reset the hydraulic speed on the lift. It will handle really ugly rolling hills, drainage runways at about 15 MPH on it's own now, when I'm driving faster through some of these challenging conditions I still have to start a lift manually before the depression.
There's really no excuse why there set up this poorly from the dealers, but I think in my case it is a lack of experience with how everything should work. Set up man will be doing a better job on all the new ones they are selling now, real good guy, just didn't know any better at the time.

 

[dimerunner88]

Sounds to me like more of an operator issue than one with the machine

The machine was abused before i got in it,it was also my first experiance in a sprayer. The first field i sprayed the machine shut down and the boss/previous operator came to the field,open and slammed the hood and everything worked again. We currently have two deeres(4930 and 4710 to replace the nitro)and i run them both at times,ive put around 4-500 hrs on them with no issues at all.
My mine gripe on the nitro is the monoboom just isnt meant to take any abuse at all,its seems its made for big flat fields and since it was our small sprayer it did all the 10-20 ac. patches

 

[Trangieboy]

Saw a nitro at the local dealer a while back.It was in getting new booms put on.Looked like a fairly new machine.I asked why new booms ? Or was it a new machine they were getting set up ? Turns out the owner operator was there and told me that the hooks on the front that hold the sprayer or swather on ,broke off and he ran over the boom while spraying at 30Km/h........ Made a big mess !!!!!
Mal.

 

[Nitro 1]

Saw a nitro at the local dealer a while back.It was in getting new booms put on.Looked like a fairly new machine.I asked why new booms ? Or was it a new machine they were getting set up ? Turns out the owner operator was there and told me that the hooks on the front that hold the sprayer or swather on ,broke off and he ran over the boom while spraying at 30Km/h........ Made a big mess !!!!!
Mal.

I know the machine and the operator this machine would have to be at least 4 years old. Any machine that old in our area could have 5K+ hrs on it. The machine was second hand when the current owner got it so you can see how things like this happen.

 

[Nitro 1]

The machine was abused before i got in it,it was also my first experiance in a sprayer. The first field i sprayed the machine shut down and the boss/previous operator came to the field,open and slammed the hood and everything worked again. We currently have two deeres(4930 and 4710 to replace the nitro)and i run them both at times,ive put around 4-500 hrs on them with no issues at all.
My mine gripe on the nitro is the monoboom just isnt meant to take any abuse at all,its seems its made for big flat fields and since it was our small sprayer it did all the 10-20 ac. patches

So why jump on here and bag out a product when you have MINIMAL experience operating that product ? Also seems evedent the machine had an intesive maintanance program !!

 

[aussiedeere]

Saw a nitro at the local dealer a while back.It was in getting new booms put on.Looked like a fairly new machine.I asked why new booms ? Or was it a new machine they were getting set up ? Turns out the owner operator was there and told me that the hooks on the front that hold the sprayer or swather on ,broke off and he ran over the boom while spraying at 30Km/h........ Made a big mess !!!!!
Mal.

Hmmm this is another reason not to get a front mount boom. Nah that would be because of poor maintenance or operator abuse wouldn't it Nirto1 Never heard of the boom falling off a deere or a case sprayer...

 

[SKfarming]

Never heard of the boom falling off a deere or a case sprayer...

Never...guess I better get one then.

It does happen, one friend of mine had to replace 14 aim nozzles after fixing/welding thiers back on. Deere's get welded back up to in my area.
Have to remember any sprayer put through abuse will break somewhere, doesn't really matter what color they are.
I guess I'm use to running a sprayer with the boom up front, and have yet to see in the same conditions where a 4420 or 4930 would keep up to my 2200 for ride or boom control. They do have more power than the 2200, but had to travel slower to keep boom level/smooth in tough conditions, on a smooth field the 4420 would surpass the 2200 as far as speed. They don't stand a chance when compare to my new one.

 

[dimerunner88]

So why jump on here and bag out a product when you have MINIMAL experience operating that product ? Also seems evedent the machine had an intesive maintanance program !!

so just because i havent ran a machine 10,000 hours it means my experiances arent worth sharing? I admit it wasnt cared for like a farmer would care for it,but maintenance doesnt excuse metal pieces shearing off.

 

[Nitro 1]

so just because i havent ran a machine 10,000 hours it means my experiances arent worth sharing? I admit it wasnt cared for like a farmer would care for it,but maintenance doesnt excuse metal pieces shearing off.

No not at all I am a big believer in information sharing. The problem for me is when someone comes out and says a product is rubbish and wont stand up to the job then you find out its actually the first time they have operated a sprayer and it was abused to within an inch of its life !! I am a contractor and have owned many different types of SP's and have found over the years that what ever color u have if you don't maintain it its going to break

 

[dougpettman]

Our 4710 deere had the boom welded up so many times it was hard to find areas that had not been welded.In 5 years we replaced the center rack,outers sections and 1 inner section as well as outer fold cylinders.The boom was not made to fold day in and day out.The Rogator had 1 inner replaced since it twisted out of shape and both hinges were redone inside of 3 years.At 1600 hrs my 4240 had 1 hinge fail by main ceneter section so we replaced both.Not a bad job at all.Our Miller boom has taken the abuse we give better than anybody else.Case will not fold so no point in buying one.We have to fold in outer section while moving to get to the headland while dodging trees.We have days were we will fold in and out over 160 times.
My next Miller will have the autogreaser.