You need to downgrade the Deere firmware to version 9. It works.

 

Your dealer tech needs the planter harness adapter to program the blockage controller. Plugs into the ISO cable at the back of the tractor and connects to the service advisor laptop.

 

So in theory you should be able to put the individual John Deere row sensors on any drill, add the modules and the toolbar processor to the drill frame and have the sensor info displayed on a Case Pro 700 display that comes on the tractor?

That would be nice! No Z's, 90's or hose barbs inside the hose.

 

Thanks for the replies. The dealer was out yesterday with the right harness, but could not get the software to load. He thought it was because there wasn't a Deere monitor on the other end but I'm not sure what that matters. He took the drill Module with him to try it at the dealer.

It is encouraging to know that if he gets it on there that it should actually work on the 700.

 

Cory; does your drill have these sensors on it, or a newer version?

 

Newer version. Brand new 1830 drill with new Case 3430 cart.

 

These.

 

Does the modern version still have the tiny striking surface angled on the sidewall, or are they now a straight through passage?

 

Perfectly straight through. One of the many reasons I went with the Deere tool over the Case/Flexi.

 

With any luck you'll get it set up so it just does its job in the background and will alarm if a blockage is developing and indicate what row it's on. No need to see a diagnostics page on the screen or use up monitor area unless you want to, and select it for some reason.

My fascination with glass displays ended with Pacman bar tables. Just a distraction from the real action !

 

Your telling me. I am pulling this with a MT855 and already have a Ag Leader Insight for steering and mapping, now the Pro 700 for the cart. If I have to add a Deere Display too, I won't be able to see out the window...

 

we run a 2011 1870 and 2 1910 carts with our pro 700 case and the blockage monitors work fine but the menu to adjust is in one of the 1910 cart pages if i remember correctly. might need the computer on the cart to make the blockage work properly?

 

Got the new Deere Firmware loaded up today and the monitors all work. Thanks to all those that helped out. My dealer wouldn't have had a clue if it weren't for the help I got here.

I can adjust the sensors from the 700, but the Max sensitivity I can get is 20 seeds/second. Is that the same as those of you who have a Deere monitor?

 

The older version recorded far fewer hits per second because the microphone membrane was positioned to pick up only a very small percentage of pellets passing down the hose. There was no reason to record every passing seed because the computer just compares averages at the moment between all of the rows and delivers an audible alarm and displays the manifold numbers and row numbers of anything developing a lower or stopped count.

With the new system you can likely count every seed for a plants per acre guideline when planting a large seed crop like sunflowers, but as a rule there is fertilizer in the seed row on air drills anyway, so I don't think the number of counts per second has a lot of importance.

 

Highmarker; I suspect that in your situation the row monitor processor on the drill is plugged into the harness going to one of your air carts. The nature of the John Deere individual row monitoring system is that its processor senses everything that gets connected to it and does an automatic configuration that the operator accepts in the Set Up menu. Generally this includes the primary module boards for each manifold and every (properly working) sensor plugged into those modules. Because one of your carts is sensed within its system, it's likely including its monitor as the operators control centre.

If the cart isn't sensed by the system, the hope would be that it would choose the next available monitor that it connected to.

I think a John Deere row monitor setup is going to require a tool bar potentiometer that senses when the drill goes in the ground if its put on a different brand of drill. This is the only way that the system can tell when to turn the monitors of and on automatically. It just plugs into the harness going back to the main processor for the sensors on the drill. I assume the row monitor could be made to work without the cart plugged into the harness, but I don't know for sure.

 

Right now my sensord get a ground speed signal some how (I am assuming from the 700, no other way), and turns on as soon as there is ground speed. I would like to get it so it only turns on when the meters are turning. I cheated and just put a Case ground tool sensor on the Deere drill to start and stop the rollers when the Implement is up. Need to figure out how to get that to talk to the sensors in the 700 I guess.

 

I'm sure you can plug a Deere implement position sensor into a receptical on the sensor harness if there is no other way. You may be able to simply tee the signal from your case switch into that receptical if the switches are similar enough in nature. The older John Deere drills used a simple open / closed switch, but things aren't so simple anymore. I hope you can get that feature working somehow.

I guess I'm spoiled since I only have experience with a full featured system. It's going to be a b***h trying a brand new drill with urea with no row monitors at all, because it's already traded and sold. Hopefully you have this all sorted out for the next drill.

I've said it before, I'm getting too old to learn everything the hard way.

One thing I have learned is, you can plant more acres in a day without row monitors than you can with them. There are generally a lot more sensor related failures than actual plugged rows, but the confidence in the job is priceless. IMO

 

There is an entire thread on here discussing blockage monitors but nobody mentioned the Deere system. Is it an ISO system? It sounds that way if you can run it on a Pro 700?

 

Yes it is an ISO system, as a consequence it requires very good electrical connections on all of the systems wiring to deal with the low voltage. The earlier brown box version uses microphone style sensors with a striking area about half the size of a dime molded into the sidewall on a slight angle.

I expect that the newest style sensor uses a magnetic field principal based on their appearance and description. The system has been around for at least 15 years. The last drill I drove had about 100'000 acres on it. During that time, all of the components were replaced approximately once.

The drill was only 43 feet but the nitrogen was ammonia. The old sensors would wear out physically. The new ones should solve that issue.

 

My only thought was I am mixing seed and phos in one shoot, and I was hoping it might be sensitive enough to see when one tank is not working and the other is. I am seeding safflower, a large seed similar to sunflowers and ran the phos empty last night. It did pick up when the tank went empty as the seed count dropped below 20 seeds/ second, but I don't think st that setting it could tell if the seed stopped and the phos was still going.

The Deere height sensor is a position sensor, meaning it gives an actual height reading..

 

I believe the hight sensor on the newer Deere's is simply so you can dictate how quickly the seed flow begins when the drill is dropped, how early it turns it off when lifting out is another selection, all in the name of not wasting seed, but essentially it's just turning things on and off, but giving you a range of timing options.

The old system couldn't sense when Sunflower seed ran out if there was phosphorous in the stream. Found that out when I went for lunch!

In a lot of situations it will pick up that a tank is going empty on a multi meter flute system like a 1910 cart. It will only alarm briefly as the first cups start going empty. Once all of the cups are empty it's just working with a new average so there will be no alarm. The same would be true in an auger style meter tank, the flow stoppage from that tank would be instantaneous to every row so there would be no alarm because each row is still getting equal amounts of product.

Unfortunately it has to calculate new averages quite rapidly because ground travel speed can change quickly. It's time based not acre based, I believe. That's something John Deere could easily change now that it's pointed out. That would be a quantum leap in monitoring.

My wife is going to be annoyed at me again for giving away ideas.

 

Something else to watch out for is on start up there are issues with ours. If you turn the key on the case tractor the three jd pages initialize fine and appear to work but then after starting the engine the carts and blockage re boot due to the low voltage and only the blockage monitor comes back on. The way we make it work is turn the key on and start the engine in one motion. not pausing for the monitor to start up before cranking the engine over. not how case reccomends how to start it but it is the only way to make it work other thatn un hooking the wire harness every time we start the engine. Keep in mind we have 3 John Deere iso screens on our pro 700.

 

You guys are great. After looking closer this morning, there is an implement switch plug back by the modules on the drill. I will try T-ing that in to the Cart impliment switch harness and see if that turns the sensors off and on with the meter rollers. I would love to know how it is currently getting ground speed. You would think if it knows ground it should just know meter status internally in the monitor.

Then again, that much simplicity might just be asking too much.

 

I think the row monitor technology was just dated enough that it was designed to be initiated with the tool bar switch or toggling main drive ON or OFF on the Deere monitor. In theory since the newest Deere carts are hydraulic drive meters with optional GPS speed signals, everything should be there to engineer that feature, but they do have a reputation of making changes carefully and in gradual stages.

Just be careful if you're experimenting tying in an open/close switch to a harness designed for a potentiometer. I'm not sure what to expect there, it might just recognize it for what it is and you can accept it in the configuration.

The problem for now might be stopping it from using that ground speed signal that keeps it turned on, on the headlands etc. I'm betting its smart enough that when it senses there is a toolbar switch it will quit doing that. But you will have to Accept Current Configuration after connecting
the switch to the harness.

If it doesn't work try moving the toolbar to the opposite position and repeat the configuration.