[escotch.ca]

It would have been nice to see the test done with a common header. Unfortunately, the new JD only works with the JD heads. No provisions for short line heads due to proprietary electrical connection/signals... Gone is analogue connections, and replaced with non-ISObus, "secret" CANbus protocols... Welcome to the new JD walled garden...

 

[odratolgus]

In Estonia, 17-19 august there is going to be a combine test where they are going to compare pretty much all parameters of the top combines. It seems that all the dealers send their own people to the drivers seat.
They are going to compare throughput, losses, fuel consumption, broken grain %, sample quality, straw and chaff spreading quality. They are also going to do some financial analysis comparing the prices of combines and and how much its going to cost to maintain them (fuel and adblue cost, money lost through losses etc.). They are going to harvest rye and rapeseed. The testing is being done by ETKI(Eesti Taimekasvatuse Instituut) that has done similar tests before.

combines that are going to the test
Claas Lexion 8900
New Holland CR 10.90
John Deere S790
John Deere X9 1100
Case IH 8250

 

[fjlip]

Think there will be a harvest?

 

[dumbfarmer]

Think there will be a harvest?

there’s going to be harvest. Just might be a 9600 keeps up with a X9.

 

[Don Boles]

Estonia is not exactly in Canada’s back yard, they could have flipside conditions.

Two machines on that list is bringing a knife to a gun fight but will make excellent reference points.

 

[Don Boles]

combines that are going to the test
Claas Lexion 8900
New Holland CR 10.90
John Deere S790
John Deere X9 1100
Case IH 8250

No Fendt 10?

 

[odratolgus]

No Fendt 10?

It seems no. I dont know the exact reason, but I suspect Fendt dealer dont have Ideal 10 to demo around here. The combine market in Estonia is quite small and Fendt and CaseIH sell very few combines here.
In 2020 only 67 new combines were sold and most of those(59) were from three manufacturers: Claas, John Deere and NewHolland.

 

[Don Boles]

Even if they could get a Fendt 9 it would have relevance.

Thought it was a comparatively small country, I'm actually surprised there is a group that wants to take this on, doesn't appear to be in their normal primary interest.

How are conditions there, what are your crops and historical yields?

 

[odratolgus]

How are conditions there, what are your crops and historical yields?

Conditions are good in a sense that the potential for big yields is there and usually the limiting factor is rain. If we get more rain, then some farmers can get wheat yields that are 10+ tonnes per hectare. Harvesting conditions are usually good, but I have seen some years where its constantly raining and have to harvest over 25% moisture content crops.

my crops and yields over the years :
wheat 4 - 10 tonnes per hectare
barley 3 - 7 tonnes per hectare
oilseed rape 2 - 5 tonnes per hectare
rye 5 - 9 tonnes per hectare
beans 3 - 5 tonnes per hectare
peas 3 - 5 tonnes per hectare

 

[Don Boles]

Looks like typical ballpark yields to my area, this year we are playing in a different ballpark though.
Not like in that showoff Arcus‘s area!

If they end up testing in 25% moisture grain I can tell you right now which one would have highest throughput without any fear of contradiction.

 

[Ozzie]

In Estonia, 17-19 august there is going to be a combine test where they are going to compare pretty much all parameters of the top combines. It seems that all the dealers send their own people to the drivers seat.
They are going to compare throughput, losses, fuel consumption, broken grain %, sample quality, straw and chaff spreading quality. They are also going to do some financial analysis comparing the prices of combines and and how much its going to cost to maintain them (fuel and adblue cost, money lost through losses etc.). They are going to harvest rye and rapeseed. The testing is being done by ETKI(Eesti Taimekasvatuse Instituut) that has done similar tests before.

combines that are going to the test
Claas Lexion 8900
New Holland CR 10.90
John Deere S790
John Deere X9 1100
Case IH 8250

They better bring plenty of spares for that CR 10.90, ones here in big crops keep breaking. They just keep upping the power to go up a class and the guts cant handle it!

 

[NWsask]

They better bring plenty of spares for that CR 10.90, ones here in big crops keep breaking. They just keep upping the power to go up a class and the guts cant handle it!

What can't handle it? We have been running them for years in some tough conditions with no issues at all.

 

[Don Boles]

I’d be curious as well, it does remind me of a line I’ve never seen in a PAMI report before though that is in that report.
“Distress level feedrate”
Read, almost plugging.

 

[SK Farmer]

If it's an independent test I can see JD pulling the X9 out of the comparison !!!

 

[K_melnyk]

Why has'nt Don given this a 3 page comment like he always does when class and deere are talked about?This is not a jab is seems odd he has'nt commented,i see he has replied to different threads since this thread has been started.

NDA?

 

[Ozzie]

What can't handle it? We have been running them for years in some tough conditions with no issues at all.

Up until recently I was contracting to a corporate farmer with geographically widely spread properties with a 20 year old STS JD. One of the other regions had a contractor with a 1 yo 10.90. The overall manager would visit all the properties regularly so I always knew how everyone was going. I know my well prepared and maintained 20yo machine had more uptime than the 1 yo 10.90. I forget the specifics but I do remember him commenting that it was breaking parts when hooking into big crops, also had a lot of electrical problems. They ended up hiring a 9.90 to get the harvest finished.

 

[NWsask]

Up until recently I was contracting to a corporate farmer with geographically widely spread properties with a 20 year old STS JD. One of the other regions had a contractor with a 1 yo 10.90. The overall manager would visit all the properties regularly so I always knew how everyone was going. I know my well prepared and maintained 20yo machine had more uptime than the 1 yo 10.90. I forget the specifics but I do remember him commenting that it was breaking parts when hooking into big crops, also had a lot of electrical problems. They ended up hiring a 9.90 to get the harvest finished.

So third hand vague info on one combine. Ok then, better trade ours off on smaller ones before they fly apart.

 

[dumbfarmer]

Up until recently I was contracting to a corporate farmer with geographically widely spread properties with a 20 year old STS JD. One of the other regions had a contractor with a 1 yo 10.90. The overall manager would visit all the properties regularly so I always knew how everyone was going. I know my well prepared and maintained 20yo machine had more uptime than the 1 yo 10.90. I forget the specifics but I do remember him commenting that it was breaking parts when hooking into big crops, also had a lot of electrical problems. They ended up hiring a 9.90 to get the harvest finished.

Comparing a 20yr old STS to a 10.90 is like comparing a Kia car to a Truck when pulling a camper.

 

[Ozzie]

Comparing a 20yr old STS to a 10.90 is like comparing a Kia car to a Truck when pulling a camper.

Living up to your moniker a bit there mate, I wasnt comparing them performance wise. Only reliability. You can have the biggest capicity machine on the planet but it will harvest zero tph while its sitting in the corner of the paddock broken!

 

[Ozzie]

So third hand vague info on one combine. Ok then, better trade ours off on smaller ones before they fly apart.

No first hand info from the disgusted property manager seeing a million dollar machine continually failing while his crops are smashed by the weather!