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Hi,

I have heard about Massey Ferguson new series of 500hp tractors which MF is to introduce this autumn. There are some considerations that they will get Fendt 1000 in red...



Has anyone heard about it yet?
 
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Red Challengers or Fendts? Didn't think the MF line had the 1050 equivalent, thought the Challenger was just a yellow Fendt, assumed the Fendt was the first to that party but do not know for sure.
 
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Our local dealer said that there would be a new 500 hp serie wheel tractor in 2020. Some peoples claim that Massey Ferguson is going to have new tractors. Massey has bought a new buildings and they are about to produce 14 new series of tractors in Beauvais in France. Fendt produce yellow Challenger for U.S. and Australia maybe, and they are adjusting production capacity for 1000 serie in Marktoberdorf. There is something strange in this. Our locall dealers are scared of Massey´s having 1000 in red...
 
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They need to put tracks on that 900 series 4WD and nothing would touch them. Even my 965 on 800's will out pull what my Quad-trac's used to do, at half the RPM...ha ha Maybe they are updating the 900 series and giving Massey access to it, I have no idea really. At this point I really think they need to give all dealers access to the full line and badge them however they choose. Around here anyways there isn't Massey and Challenger dealers across the street from each other. The whole line is top notch if you don't count having to add in aftermarket GPS equipment.
 
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SWMan said:
They need to put tracks on that 900 series 4WD and nothing would touch them. Even my 965 on 800's will out pull what my Quad-trac's used to do, at half the RPM...ha ha

The whole line is top notch if you don't count having to add in aftermarket GPS equipment.
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I don't recall which series of 900 series you have, does yours have the Cat or SISU engine?

I can't believe that they don't have that figured out. It seems like every time you turn around they have a different GPS system. Are they still trying to use the TopCon equipment or have them moved on from that?
 
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It’s strange what goes on sometimes. In Nebraska on a scientifically controlled test a Challenger 965C on a 50% pull at 1537 RPM produced 211 DB HP.

A 600 Quadtrac on a 50% pull at 1478 RPM produced 248 DB HP.

A 965C on a 75% pull at 1539 RPM produced 314 DB HP.

A 600 Quadtrac at 75% pull at 1471 RPM produced 367 DB HP.

I wonder if there was something wrong with that C18, or if it just seems like it sucks for its size sometimes???? ;);)

https://tractortestlab.unl.edu/documents/mt965c.pdf

https://tractortestlab.unl.edu/documents/Case IH Steiger 600 Quad.pdft

I agree, the 900 series AGCO’s will also need to be badged or at least sold by MF dealers so large producers can get their tractors where they buy their IDEAL combines.
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I can't explain what goes on at Nebraska test track. I would say there is some pretty suspect stuff comes out of the NTTL, any chance they are not as pure as the wind-driven snow like just about every other organization on earth?:sFun_whistle: I'm just glad we don't farm on pavement. I do know pulling the same implements up the same hills that there is really no comparison in the field, my 965 is weighted pretty heavily though. One of the really nice things about the larger displacement engines is they seem to hang in there at below 1500RPM, which the CNH and Deere 13L engines don't. Just makes it a less stressful experience. I did drive a 9620RX I believe it was(15L Cummins) and it did have some good torque, perhaps the Versatile would be same.
 
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There is no replacement for displacement. Our old 903 cummins (15L) can take off idling with out a bat of an eye. Torque way down at low rpm requires displacement. In hills where rpm's can get challenged some of these high hp smaller displacement engines hit a breaking point fast where it just falls off a cliff.
 
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For the life of me I can’t understand why people insist on doing that for the sake of not selecting a lower gear. Most modern designed engines have nearly flat torque curves for emissions purposes, with an abrupt torque fall off as it reaches maximum RPM to limit its maximum horsepower, thus creating a wall of torque as it is lugged back down toward 2000 RPM. Running a 681 horsepower tractor with a perfectly flat torque chart, lugged down to 1500 RPM reduces it to about a 510 horsepower tractor.

The up side is a 12 litre engine can produce over twice the horsepower of a venerable old 15 litre Cummings. ;) If you run it wide open, and don’t lug its guts out.
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Yeah but who wants the engine spinning at 2000RPM when you can do it at 1500 without fear of it crapping it's pants.

The 13 liter engines in my Volvo trucks run 1100-1400RPM all day and behave just as a diesel should, why can't CNH and Deere do the same thing?

Johny S. said:
Agco put tracks on 900 series when they tested tracks for Ideal. I think there would not be any problems with it but they probably don´t want to offer four track tractors.
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It's not about what they want, it should be about what the customer wants.:wink:
 
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A truck doesn’t make very significant horsepower at 1100 RPM, it just gets a relatively easy job done.

To make 680 horsepower for example at 1100 RPM, the crankshaft would need to produce 3250 ft. Lbs of torque.

The maximum crankshaft torque allowed on an 18 speed Eaton transmission is 2250 ft Lbs.

2250 ft Lbs @ 1100 RPM is 471 HP.

It is nice to have a small enough load on a farm tractor, or have it moving slow enough to be able to throttle down and gear up, but if they don’t make a big enough tractor to do that for you, you either need to rev it up to maximum horsepower, or trade for a smaller aircart or something to lessen the load.

You could put 942 horsepower into an Eaton 18 speed at 2200 RPM at the same maximum 2250 ft Lbs of torque.

https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/catalog/transmissions/rt-18-transmission.html
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How the he!! do those trucks hold together???!!! Can't believe how close the crowd is to the strip. Those trucks smoke like my old Bruin!


Anyone else notice none of them broke down because of an emissions problem!!! lol The way the new trucks race isn't so much how fast you get to the finish line, but whether or not you can just get to it!
 
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So, would that be considered an out of frame overhaul?? Bet the drivers first thought would be along the lines of "What the **#K!!! just happened??"
 
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Wowza. Absolutely everything trashed from pumps to turbos to obviously long block.

I’m thinking his first thought was the gut wrenching feeling of his wallet being ripped from his pocket by the fist that just reached out of his ass.....:22:

It’s nothing to have 50-100k into one of those engines!
 
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Johny S. said:
Hi,

I have heard about Massey Ferguson new series of 500hp tractors which MF is to introduce this autumn. There are some considerations that they will get Fendt 1000 in red...



Has anyone heard about it yet?
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Standing on what Agco executives declared during a press conference (Agritechnica 2015) this new tractor won't be a Fendt clone.
The timing seems to be not so wrong as well.



From Profi article:

It is not coming just yet, but AGCO is developing a new range of high-hp tractors to sit above the current flagship models in the Valtra S an MF 8700 series. Mentioned briefly at a Valtra press meeting at Agritechnica, we understand the new range could include three models with possible outputs of 400, 420 and 500hp. There is nothing official, but we also understand the new tractors will not be clones of Fendt's 1000 series. As to the potential launch date, we are told to think Stage V engine emissions (2019/2020) at the very earliest. By Steven Vale
 
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I am hearing the rumor from my dealer that a 4 track Challenger is in the works. I have also heard of a new Massey series coming out to replace the 8700 series, which is no surprise, however, they are slated for a 2022 release according to my dealer. Introducing a 500 HP Massey is news to me however. I wonder if they will use the 9.8l motor or go a different route.
 
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A four track Challenger with Fendt CVT and Ideal tracks could be very interesting.
About the new Massey Agco talks about a new series that "sits above the mf8700 and Valtra S" and maybe then will be the turn of the New 8700 series.

adsinaus said:
You don’t think they’ll use the MAN that’s in the fendts?
I suppose they’ve also got the SISU/Agco power in house option that sits in their tracked machines.
Surely they’d have to go bigger-9.8L, 500 Hp doesn’t strike me as a design for longevity....
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About the engine I agree, the 9,8l is undersized for that power segment.
 
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#32 ·
You don’t think they’ll use the MAN that’s in the fendts?
I suppose they’ve also got the SISU/Agco power in house option that sits in their tracked machines.
Surely they’d have to go bigger-9.8L, 500 Hp doesn’t strike me as a design for longevity....
 
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Where did you get that picture? I recently made some comments on massey ferguson YouTube videos and that got me a phone call from an Agco rep for Pennsylvania. I grilled him for answers on the direction of Massey in north America. No ideal combine, no 8740 or 8740S, no Tele handlers, no 1000 series, no machine of the year 7719s, etc. etc.
I got no real good answers. Said in future all challenger tractors are going to same as fendt instead of massey. Massey and valtra are going to be same now. Asked about new 500hp massey. Said he never heard of something like that and if there is one very good chance it will most likely be available every where except north America. Also said the new momentum massey planter available everywhere else now will eventually come to NA but only as a fendt.
Asked him about future of massey combines. He said if ideal does what they want massey combines will be totally discontinued. Not anywhere else, just in NA.
I don't like how the future looks for my favorite brand of equipment...
Leave it to Agco to screw up their longest running brand and the one that has the most dealers. Seems to me they want massey to be known for compact and utility tractors instead of real equipment...
 
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