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7120 rotor spikes and corn set up questions

5.3K views 12 replies 4 participants last post by  MNfarmer85  
#1 ·
I'm wondering how far you let the spikes go? These seem pretty worn to me, compared to how new ones look.

Also spikes in the grate area have some helical spikes I think they are called or kicker? Most of the rotor are standards but looks to be about 8 that have longer tip that flares out don't think they are kickers cause kickers are a lot bigger right? Like they are L shaped?

Also we got this machine late last year and didn't have time to get set up like we should have for corn. We need to add some bars just wondering how many? 4? Or 8? Also will the bars help with loss or just separation? We didn't notice separation issues but loss was higher than we are use to with our old 2388 that had 4 straight bars

I guess my main question is what's the best corn set up on the rotor and check the pictures out of my spikes.

Also is the small grain sieves really hurting us in corn? Or running the 1 1/8" is fine? What's the main issues with that and also we run round bar concaves and lsw in grates with vanes in high speed setting
And also standard elevator gearing set up not high speed? We only have a 38" 6 row 3406 header so really not sure if we put enough threw it fast enough to justify the high speed elevator? Thoughts on that too?

Lots of questions I know but hopefully you guys can break them down and help me out!!
Thank you
 
#7 ·
Yep, those are very worn... Might be standard duty bars too? Those do wear fast...


When I replaced the bars on my specialty rotor I used K506 bars that the dealer carried, they had them listed the same price as an OEM bar.
I can run the rotor slower in corn and soybeans and do a much better job than before, despite being larger they take a lot less power. Could be your very worn bars are making it hard to move crop through the rotor cage.
(The bars I mentioned are on the top of the page in the link below.)
https://www.kilemfg.com/thresh-straight-separator-bars/
Not sure about vane settings on newer machines but our older 1460 needs them to be in slow position for corn, I just leave them alone might take more power in beans but between the new bars and aftermarket concave still takes a heck of a lot less than when I first got the machine.
A kicker bar looks a bit like a thick section of auger flighting, the picture below is of a view of one from the rear of the rotor.


You can install straight separator bars in the rear section of a specialty or AFX rotor, but mine uses spiked bars instead since it has a disruptor kit installed in the grates.
 
#9 ·
When you say rebuilt the rotor did you pull it out and do the bearings and have it re balanced or just put everything new on it? Thinking I better check the elephant ears and see how they are worn. This machine has 900+- hours on the separator
Would you recommend changing all the bars? The ones that are 1/3 or so toward the rear are all in really good shape especially the spiked bars and the kicker bars.


Also if I'm adding straight bars do I put them in where the two line up? Cause right now that's where the spiked bars are positioned so if I put 4 straight bars where those are then put the 8 spiked bars any where around the straight bars or do you move them more forward?
 
#11 ·
That sounds good so just change the ones that the bolt has wear showing?

What's the best set up? All rasp bars and 4 straight bars? Or keep the 8 spiked ones on there and 4 straight bars and the rest regular rasp bars?

Also where do you position the spiked bars and straight bars? Keep them all toward the back in grate area I'd assume right?
 
#13 ·
That sounds good so just change the ones that the bolt has wear showing?

What's the best set up? All rasp bars and 4 straight bars? Or keep the 8 spiked ones on there and 4 straight bars and the rest regular rasp bars?

Also where do you position the spiked bars and straight bars? Keep them all toward the back in grate area I'd assume right?
I'd say so, assuming those are the ones in the main threshing area of the rotor. (Front half, bit more of a distinction on a legacy machine with the concave sections and grate sections being separate areas of the rotor.) When I first changed bars I only did 4 rows, but I think I now have 8(?) with all the same bars, it worked with only the first 4 changed but not as well as when the rest were done. (Could be more rows, not sure, haven't looked in and counted recently.)


Not sure on that one, as I haven't ran straight bars on our rotor, perhaps someone else could answer that better.


All our spiked bars are in the grate area, not sure if in that machine the grate modules can be adjusted like a concave but my older (1460) the grates do not move, so clearance isn't an issue.