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#21 ·
We've been sidebanding NH3 with seed hawk for five years now and have not had any serious issues with seedling injury and this is going as high as 150#s of actual N in canola. I've seen injury with conservapaks and heard of it with flexi-coil stealth openers, especially worn ones, but to date our seed-hawk has been great. John Harapiak did some work on one-pass NH3 when he was with Westco and in talking to him he also felt that the seed hawk was a great option for sidebanding NH3, the conservapak he felt could pose some problems, or at least the older designs because of their aggressive N placement
 
#22 ·
I like how you used the words "serious issues". Why create any unnecessary issues? There are plenty of things we can't control when growing a crop so we should at least take complete control of what we can. All I suggest for anyone is that unless you do a side-by-side comparison you don't know what your are missing.
 
#23 ·
We used midrow banders with nh3 for 5 or 6 years. It worked great. We were setup on 12 inch seed rows and 24 inch midrows. Our crops never suffered from lack of fertilizer and we never had weed problems either because you don't pack on your midrow. Now we have a 10 inch seedmaster. It also works good with no fertilizer burn from the nh3. I wouldn't go with a straight side band or paired row if you are using nh3, once you go over 4 miles per hour you cannot mantain enough separation and you are also throwing more dirt.
 
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#24 ·
Lots of people are sidebanding very high rates of nh3 with no problems including me. Dutch industies 4.5" spread with N down the middle, and deeper. Works great here but we are pretty much never dry in spring so seed burn is not as serious a concern as it could be in other areas. Both ways work well but I think this is the way to go. No trash clearance issues and very cheap compared to midrows. Unless you are in a dry area or lighter soils I would try these openers first and save a ton of money. Also who ever told you that you would be able to cut your fertilizer in half is lying. A pound of N in the soil is a pound of N no matter how it got there or where it is placed.
 
#25 ·
Here is some actual side by side comparison with Mid Row, Paired Row and Single row with fertilizer broadcasted and with the seed. Bourgault of coarse does not like to show this data. They pulled out their seeding unit after they saw these results. Look at page 12:

http://www.sarc.montana.edu/documents/mwbc/2007/07NARC-MWB3_AirDrillOpnrs.pdf

There was 2.9 Bushels/Acre difference between Bourgault Tillage Tools Paired Row Opener to their Mid Row Banders.

Also BTT's Paired Row is definitely not a great opener compared to other paired row openers. In 2008 it was 2.8 Bushels/Acre less than the Dutch Precision Paired Row

The science proves that Bourgault is just very good at selling Mid Rows. Also everyone always compares Mid Row and Side Banding. What about Paired Row? It is different.
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
Well I think they meant that injecting right into the soil is better than sprinkling it on top of the ground. I am in Western SD and it gets pretty dry down here and some pretty light soils too. I am worried about NH3 burn in sideshooting now that you mention it.

I have looked a little at the exactrix website. they have an attachment that bolts right onto the deere 90 series opener. It looks simple enough but it does seem awfully close to the seed. Also do those little fertilizer boots wear out the same time as the seed boots? I don't like the fact that I have to drill 2 25/64 holes in the side of the boot either. They are hard as a rock. I would like to hear from someone who has used them though, they look cheap.
 
#35 ·
Andy is right, there are no clips on a Paralink, and if your neighbor was stuck with the BTT adapters it is totally the dealer making that decision. They obviously ordered the machine that way and did not want to change them out. I have seen the price/quote sheet and it is an option. Again, talk to the dealer, there is way too much "my neighbor told me" going on here.
 
#36 ·
Bourgault just came up with a great way to play both sides of the coin. If you work for Bourgault then you probably would get fired for talking about anything other than MRB's and how world changing they are. But if you work for Bourgault Tillage Tools you can talk about how great your double shoot boots are without causing a conflict on the whole MRB versus double shoot boot debate.

Gerry Bourgault is in the process of trying to sue a group of agronomists for defending the misuse of their research in Bourgault advertising, and you think that he would let a point/seed boot company use his name in their name? Come on......
 
#37 ·
Maybe all you guys should try using Bourgault products and experience the Bourgault product support from real farmers that care what happens on other farms before shooting down Bourgault. Its my understanding that Deere and Case have both tried to buy Bourgault in the last couple of years- go figure, maybe thy where trying to figure out how to provide product support again.

And maybe Bourgault and Bourgault Tillage Tools where started by the same extended family some 30+ years ago who cares but they are not connected to each other, except for name and a belief in building quality products for farmers
 
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