This is all news to me. First I had heard of good harvest herbicide. It says same active as Liberty, (almost, Glufosinate Ammonia, vs. Ammonium in the Liberty). But the label only indicates preharvest uses, not for LL canola. Is this a legal restriction? The Kijiji ad seems to indicate it can be used.

 

I was going to ask about that stuff yesterday as I saw it on Kijiji. A few things make me skeptical.


The ad I saw is gone today but it originally said the following:
CANOLA SEED .. High Quality .. B Please Contact

BULK SEED .. CANOLA .. Common #1 Canola $7.00 Per Lb 1000 & 2000 Lb Totes Hybrid .. Pod Shatter Resistant .. Open Pollinated First Generation #1 Grade Canola High Quality Glufosinate Ammonium Resistant Selling Fast !!! Delivered !!!!!!!




Something being both Open Pollinated and a Hybrid?

 

Ad is up again.

 

finally after 7 year we have off patent canola available and YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN SEED! spray with harvest FNA or liberty/bayer--we also have off patent soybean ---our goal is every seed on our farm we bread ourselves.--we ask for voluntary payment $1 lb for seed you use to keep this research going Ernest Andersen 306-267-4815 ph or tex ernestandersen@sasktel.net

 

finally after 7 year we have off patent canola available and YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN SEED! spray with harvest FNA or liberty/bayer--we also have off patent soybean ---our goal is every seed on our farm we bread ourselves.--we ask for voluntary payment $1 lb for seed you use to keep this research going Ernest Andersen 306-267-4815 ph or tex ernestandersen@sasktel.net

Makar did you talk to him?
If this is the same stuff as friend enquired on couple weeks ago?
It is not registered yet. And that concerns me big time because no one will buy it.
And if someone does buy it and it is not a registered variety well lets just say I don't have near enough liability insurance for that scenario.

 

I just talked to the guy, they're doing their own breeding. He has not registered it yet, said they're thinking of a name, takes money and a couple years time. Said he sells it as common number 1...??
I'm not experienced enough to really make any observations...

 

$7.00 a pound, including seed treatment.

 

Sounds like the same guy.
I will be all for it as soon as it is registered.
The advice we got from the local elevator was if it has a certified seed tag they will buy it.
If not NO.

 

i am totally interested, i will keep watching this thread for updates. Even if i got to pay this guy Royalties, LOL.

 

I'd much rather pay this guy royalties being a tiny business, That I know will take the money and do something proper with it. There's not a lot of transparency when it comes to the government mandated wheat royalty wizardry they're trying to shove down our throats.....

 

I talked to the plant breeder guy from the government that has his name and phone number listed in the royalty posts. He told me that it is completley legal to grow a deregistered variety when the patent is up. The chemical companies want you to believe it is illegal so you buy their latest and greatest. The chemical companies try deregister varieties long before the patent is up so there is no brown bqg seed available. I hope this guy keep developing and marketing canola varieties to bring the cost of seed down. We need more competition. If his variety is not a high bred you could keep your own seed as well and still have the same performance.

 

I think i just read lately deregistered canola can only make a 3cr. People had to stop brown bagging old clearfield.

 

DON’T GROW DE-REGISTERED VARIETIES
APRIL 5, 2017 - ISSUE 4
Clearfield variety 46A76 has been de-registered by its registering company. Registration will be cancelled as of August 1, 2017, which means 46A76 crops harvested after that date cannot be legally delivered into the grain system in Canada. For this reason, growers should not grow 46A76 this year.

Growers with 46A76 currently in on-farm storage are encouraged to sell it before August 1.

Under the Seeds Act and Regulations, common seed of 46A76 is also considered a de-registered variety after that date.

These rules apply to any de-registered canola variety. From canolawatch.org.

 

My understanding is this guy with the kijiji ad has developed a "new" variety through his own breeding efforts.
So apparently it's not a de-registered variety, its unregistered... if that makes any difference.
again I'm speaking upon limited knowledge of the whole system, I'm just trying to understand it myself.

 

How does a variety get derigistered? Sounds like the company that owns the patent can just get it derigistered maybe?

I was assured this would not happen with wheat if their royalty ideas get passed.

Would sure like a $7 pound option in canola even better if I could save seed.

Would sure like to keep the $7 bushel seed option in wheat as well.

 

Clearfield variety 46A76 has been de-registered by its registering company. Registration will be cancelled as of August 1, 2017, which means 46A76 crops harvested after that date cannot be legally delivered into the grain system in Canada. For this reason, growers should not grow 46A76 this year.

 

Any deliveries of unregistered varieties are required by The Canada Grain Act to be assigned the lowest grade available for that crop.. From albertacanola.com

 

Lets keep that checkoff money flowing, or more like swirling in the toilet bowl.

 

The whole point is that you can keep your own seed and reseed next year. Same guys who brought rr1 beans out off patent. Registration is pending.

Plenty of places to sell canola that is not an elevator.

 

Plenty of places to sell canola that is not an elevator.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately none for me unless minus 52 a tonne trucking bill, hope this guy makes it but it will be to late for me.

 

I hope he makes it too, vote with your money that is already gone but can be got back. Make sure our groups know if they don’t start sticking up for us they are not keeping our money.

 

So according to my math the "latest and greatest" varieties cost roughly 13 bucks a pound. That means at 5 pounds per acre they cost 30 bucks an acre more to seed. Even less at lower seeding rates. That's roughly 3 bushels an acre more yield to break even. I think i will be sticking with the "latest and greatest".
The newest varieties will get you a lot more than 3 bpa over any old deregistered one.

 

Apparantly nw sask is no where near the sad or is it real world i farm in, not every pencil has the same driver.

 

Maybe i am not the best farmer but for sure dont have the best land or weather, i need options to manage my risk, not pay for my condo in florida, if what i seed is going to yield less than someone else is my option and has kept me off the auction block. I cant buy my crop, i have lost many and that never comes back, not everyone has been in this situation. if i was sure i would get 10 bushels a year less with this guys seed it is all i would ever buy.

 

So the million dollar question can we market it. I can grow all the rr polish i like if i dig a hole and bury it.

 

Most places have options, crush plants etc, not sure what you've got up in the Peace. If marketing for you is limited to the local elevator spot price then this might not be a good fit.

 

Not that I am growing any canola next year, but think one thing that may be important to some considering this option is that there no clubroot resistant trait in this stuff? Guess if you not needing that trait cheaper is likely better.

 

I would like to get some this stuff down here. We don't have any of the registration rules you guys are talking about. Not once have I ever been asked what variety the canola is when I sell. If they get this going and are able to add pod shatter soon, I have to think this would be a big deal, unless this registration business you guys have screws it up.

 

Canola seed varieties to be grown in Canada only need Canadian registration, its when they get into the commercial system (inevitable) and are sent to other countries where those varieties aren't registered is the problem. If they find them, you could be on the hook for a boat load.


It's a gentleman's like agreement in the canola seed industry, not a legal requirement, to not release any varieties for sale in Canada until the registration is approved in the top 7 exporting countries. TruFlex for example awaits registration in China only, is registered everywhere else, but won't be released until it is. It's been 6 years now registered in Canada, still not done in China, still not released.



Growing a variety not registered in all of our major exporting countries could be the most expensive 7$ canola seed you ever buy.

 

I talked to this guy yesterday, he doesn’t live that far away from me. He said it’s somewhat like 5440,
said it more hardy for straight cutting. Well, 5440 was far from a straight cut, so it would need to be pretty “hardy”. Mentioned something I found hard to believe. Said it was a hybrid! I thought hybrids were under patented?
How do you grow a hybrid the following year with your own seed, and produce anything?
We have to show the seed industry the canola seed prices are getting way out of hand, but growing something like this makes me a little nervous.
You know the saying if something sound to good to be true .....

 

Mentioned something I found hard to believe. Said it was a hybrid! I thought hybrids were under patented?

I'm sure many of them are, due to their genetic traits such as RR2, but not all. All hybrid means is that the seed came from a cross between two parent varieties. Patents, if any, are apply on the genetic trait that is being developed and injected into the plant's genes, either by gene gun or non-GMO breeding. We've been multiplying hybrid seed for for Dow, and my understanding is it is not genetically modified, but rather just carefully bread, and still hybrid. I might be mis-remembering that though.

How do you grow a hybrid the following year with your own seed, and produce anything?

Indeed that is a good question as the nature of many/most plant hybrids is that after a generation or two the phenotype (expression of genes) of the plant tends to revert to one of its parents.

As a plant breeder, I'm sure this gentlemen developing this variety is aware of all this and is breeding the traits to survive generation to generation.