[makar]

Plenty of places to sell canola that is not an elevator.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately none for me unless minus 52 a tonne trucking bill, hope this guy makes it but it will be to late for me.

 

[mixtupfarmer]

I hope he makes it too, vote with your money that is already gone but can be got back. Make sure our groups know if they don’t start sticking up for us they are not keeping our money.

 

[NWsask]

So according to my math the "latest and greatest" varieties cost roughly 13 bucks a pound. That means at 5 pounds per acre they cost 30 bucks an acre more to seed. Even less at lower seeding rates. That's roughly 3 bushels an acre more yield to break even. I think i will be sticking with the "latest and greatest".
The newest varieties will get you a lot more than 3 bpa over any old deregistered one.

 

[makar]

So according to my math the "latest and greatest" varieties cost roughly 13 bucks a pound. That means at 5 pounds per acre they cost 30 bucks an acre more to seed. Even less at lower seeding rates. That's roughly 3 bushels an acre more yield to break even. I think i will be sticking with the "latest and greatest".
The newest varieties will get you a lot more than 3 bpa over any old deregistered one.

Apparantly nw sask is no where near the sad or is it real world i farm in, not every pencil has the same driver.

 

[Slashnburn2]

So according to my math the "latest and greatest" varieties cost roughly 13 bucks a pound. That means at 5 pounds per acre they cost 30 bucks an acre more to seed. Even less at lower seeding rates. That's roughly 3 bushels an acre more yield to break even. I think i will be sticking with the "latest and greatest".
The newest varieties will get you a lot more than 3 bpa over any old deregistered one.

Except the 7$/lb is a one time purchase because you can keep your seed and there is no royalties or tua. So next spring what's the cost difference? 600$ per bag vs the cost of cleaning.

Doesn't mean you need to switch the whole farm into it. Doesn't mean you stop buying the latest and greatest. But now you have that option, and the big companies have a generic to compete with.

 

[AnviL]

DON’T GROW DE-REGISTERED VARIETIES
APRIL 5, 2017 - ISSUE 4
Clearfield variety 46A76 has been de-registered by its registering company. Registration will be cancelled as of August 1, 2017, which means 46A76 crops harvested after that date cannot be legally delivered into the grain system in Canada. For this reason, growers should not grow 46A76 this year.

Growers with 46A76 currently in on-farm storage are encouraged to sell it before August 1.

Under the Seeds Act and Regulations, common seed of 46A76 is also considered a de-registered variety after that date.

These rules apply to any de-registered canola variety. From canolawatch.org.

My understanding is this guy with the kijiji ad has developed a "new" variety through his own breeding efforts.
So apparently it's not a de-registered variety, its unregistered... if that makes any difference.
again I'm speaking upon limited knowledge of the whole system, I'm just trying to understand it myself.

 

[makar]

Maybe i am not the best farmer but for sure dont have the best land or weather, i need options to manage my risk, not pay for my condo in florida, if what i seed is going to yield less than someone else is my option and has kept me off the auction block. I cant buy my crop, i have lost many and that never comes back, not everyone has been in this situation. if i was sure i would get 10 bushels a year less with this guys seed it is all i would ever buy.

 

[Slashnburn2]

My understanding is this guy with the kijiji ad has developed a "new" variety through his own breeding efforts.
So apparently it's not a de-registered variety, its unregistered... if that makes any difference.
again I'm speaking upon limited knowledge of the whole system, I'm just trying to understand it myself.

Know a guy in the Brandon area who was multiplying some for them. He said it did mid 40 bushel with a seeding rate of 1 or 1.5 lbs/acre.

From what I know it's a new, as of yet unregistered, variety. Registration is currently underway but they're putting it out there as common for now. Tolerant to glufosinate, shotgun method gene insertion. Some retired ag-canada geneticist doing the work and backed by a few guys across western canada. Open pollinated but has the french winter breeding. They're going to be working on shatter resistance next.

There's a few different ads out there it's all the same company, different reps though.

 

[makar]

So the million dollar question can we market it. I can grow all the rr polish i like if i dig a hole and bury it.

 

[Slashnburn2]

So the million dollar question can we market it. I can grow all the rr polish i like if i dig a hole and bury it.

Most places have options, crush plants etc, not sure what you've got up in the Peace. If marketing for you is limited to the local elevator spot price then this might not be a good fit.

 

[mixtupfarmer]

Know a guy in the Brandon area who was multiplying some for them. He said it did mid 40 bushel with a seeding rate of 1 or 1.5 lbs/acre.

From what I know it's a new, as of yet unregistered, variety. Registration is currently underway but they're putting it out there as common for now. Tolerant to glufosinate, shotgun method gene insertion. Some retired ag-canada geneticist doing the work and backed by a few guys across western canada. Open pollinated but has the french winter breeding. They're going to be working on shatter resistance next.

There's a few different ads out there it's all the same company, different reps though.

I hope they succeed and get it registered, mid 40’s For $7 per pound and then keep your own seed. I’d gladly give my voluntary royalty and take a few bushels less so I could give the dicks trying to give us mandatory royalties a big Fock you.

 

[makar]

Most places have options, crush plants etc, not sure what you've got up in the Peace. If marketing for you is limited to the local elevator spot price then this might not be a good fit.

I got nothing here.

 

[brazil08]

Not that I am growing any canola next year, but think one thing that may be important to some considering this option is that there no clubroot resistant trait in this stuff? Guess if you not needing that trait cheaper is likely better.

 

[ShinyNewFarmer]

I would like to get some this stuff down here. We don't have any of the registration rules you guys are talking about. Not once have I ever been asked what variety the canola is when I sell. If they get this going and are able to add pod shatter soon, I have to think this would be a big deal, unless this registration business you guys have screws it up.

 

[BrianTee]

Canola seed varieties to be grown in Canada only need Canadian registration, its when they get into the commercial system (inevitable) and are sent to other countries where those varieties aren't registered is the problem. If they find them, you could be on the hook for a boat load.


It's a gentleman's like agreement in the canola seed industry, not a legal requirement, to not release any varieties for sale in Canada until the registration is approved in the top 7 exporting countries. TruFlex for example awaits registration in China only, is registered everywhere else, but won't be released until it is. It's been 6 years now registered in Canada, still not done in China, still not released.



Growing a variety not registered in all of our major exporting countries could be the most expensive 7$ canola seed you ever buy.

 

[ZEEMAN]

I talked to this guy yesterday, he doesn’t live that far away from me. He said it’s somewhat like 5440,
said it more hardy for straight cutting. Well, 5440 was far from a straight cut, so it would need to be pretty “hardy”. Mentioned something I found hard to believe. Said it was a hybrid! I thought hybrids were under patented?
How do you grow a hybrid the following year with your own seed, and produce anything?
We have to show the seed industry the canola seed prices are getting way out of hand, but growing something like this makes me a little nervous.
You know the saying if something sound to good to be true .....

 

[makar]

The old 2000 series liberty hybrids you could reuse one generation.

 

[mixtupfarmer]

Not saying it would be good for the industry but if a variety is registered in Canada that is probably what we sign on our declaration, not whether China accepts them so I don’t think you would be on the hook for a boatload.

Or maybe I’m wrong

 

[Walter Moebis]

Not saying it would be good for the industry but if a variety is registered in Canada that is probably what we sign on our declaration, not whether China accepts them so I don’t think you would be on the hook for a boatload.

Or maybe I’m wrong

My question is: How could they prove where admix or grain came from? Elevators don't have to keep samples and even if they did, it is a sample that is taken by an non certified or monitored remote sampler and stored in elev facility in an unlocked container in an unlocked storage room, only accessible by elevator employees who also have control of the product and blending before shipping.

You can't even get CGC to do an inspection once truck is dumped and even if they are on site they won't take a sample from a remote probe as it is not a true representative sample.

 

[BrianTee]

Not saying it would be good for the industry but if a variety is registered in Canada that is probably what we sign on our declaration, not whether China accepts them so I don’t think you would be on the hook for a boatload.

Or maybe I’m wrong

Take a peak at a Vittera or ADM contract for canola and in the long list of stipulations no one ever reads you are agreeing to only deliver varieties registered in all 7 of those countries.