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#4,145 ·
I still can't access the website with two different browsers, s I guess I'll ask my question here. Has anybody ran AOG with new raspberry pi 4? Looks like it should work but not confident enough with my knowledge of tech to say for sure.
 
#4,146 ·
threegenpowerstroke98 said:
I still can't access the website with two different browsers, s I guess I'll ask my question here. Has anybody ran AOG with new raspberry pi 4? Looks like it should work but not confident enough with my knowledge of tech to say for sure.
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AoG only runs on Windows devices. That being said, I've read that rPi 4 can run Windows but I have not done it myself.
 
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m_elias said:
AoG only runs on Windows devices. That being said, I've read that rPi 4 can run Windows but I have not done it myself.
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The rpi 4 seems to be very capable. Doing some pricing on parts, it seems a guy can build a capable tablet for about $250 vs 5-750 for something comparable already on the market.
 
#4,149 ·
I have one of these, it's a decent unit.
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I think the biggest advantage of using a raspberry Pi would be a non-Windows version of AgOpenGPS. Windows hurts the performance of so many tablet type devices.
 
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threegenpowerstroke98 said:
The rpi 4 seems to be very capable. Doing some pricing on parts, it seems a guy can build a capable tablet for about $250 vs 5-750 for something comparable already on the market.
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Yes we've been down that road a few times over the years. Besides the requirement to run Windows for WinForms (WinForms is the only thing locking AOG to Windows), there are the issues of the bright screen but most importantly power management. The Raspberry Pi has no power management whatsoever. There's no way to power it on with a signal, or power it off. Commercial displays in tractors boot up when you turn the key on, and then when you turn the key off, they shut down safely to avoid data corruption. Really a tablet form factor solves these issues quite handily. Bright screens, and you can just put them to sleep for the night, or just take them home with you. It's a good enough solution that no one is looking at building their own hardware at this time.

There are plenty of boards more capable than the Pi, including some with power management. If AOG ran on Linux, I'm sure there would be more exploration of the potential of these other single-board computers. For a while I was pretty excited about the Pine64 boards. The problem with all these boards are that things like GPU acceleration require messing around with proprietary drivers and other finicky settings. It's rather surprising to me that sad state of GPU support on ARM and Linux. This is mainly due to the manufacturers being unwilling to release their specs to allow open source drivers to be made. These chipsets are all targeted at Android where the manufacturer gives out a binary blob that everyone uses. That model doesn't work on Linux. Also there's the issue of booting on ARM. Only relatively recently the Pi gained the ability to boot off of USB. Compared to x86, the ARM landscape is really fragmented. There is no generic ARM version of Fedora, Debian, etc that will boot on any ARM device. Every device has it's own customized distro. A real shame, because ARM is awesome technology.
 
#4,151 ·
So I got the first half, second I got a little lost. But from what I can put together it's a no on the pi. I guess a hard shutdown by pulling the plug would lead to data loss? But it should still store memory if it's powered off correct? I should be able to save my AB lines and then reload them again after restarting? As for screen brightness, there should be an lcd screen available with brightness controls that should be able to fix that issue?
 
#4,152 ·
Currently it's a "no" on any device that does not run MS Windows (the full version of Windows, not the locked-down version that comes on the ARM-powered Surface notebooks). For sure Windows on x86 chips.

It certainly is possible to make Linux use storage in such a way that the power can be cut at any moment and won't cause corruption, but that's not how most distributions are configured to run by default. Windows usually wants to be shut down properly to avoid corrupting open files and possibly causing Windows to not boot anymore.

Finding a day-light readable LCD screen is not easy. Many tablets and rugged laptops are designed for use outdoors and so just come with brighter screens. It's not a matter of turning up the brightness. It's a matter of the maximum brightness the screen can produce. That reminds me of another feature of tablets: automatic brightness adjustment. As the ambient light dims, most tablets will automatically dim the screen. Most standalone monitors and panels don't do that.
 
#4,153 ·
torriem said:
Currently it's a "no" on any device that does not run MS Windows (the full version of Windows, not the locked-down version that comes on the ARM-powered Surface notebooks). For sure Windows on x86 chips.

It certainly is possible to make Linux use storage in such a way that the power can be cut at any moment and won't cause corruption, but that's not how most distributions are configured to run by default. Windows usually wants to be shut down properly to avoid corrupting open files and possibly causing Windows to not boot anymore.

Finding a day-light readable LCD screen is not easy. Many tablets and rugged laptops are designed for use outdoors and so just come with brighter screens. It's not a matter of turning up the brightness. It's a matter of the maximum brightness the screen can produce. That reminds me of another feature of tablets: automatic brightness adjustment. As the ambient light dims, most tablets will automatically dim the screen. Most standalone monitors and panels don't do that.
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Very interesting. Certainly learned a lot and I appreciate your reply.
 
#4,158 ·
I've been using it every day since they moved it to their own server, no problems for me. Use the new link.
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Download it at...... https://github.com/farmerbriantee/AgOpenGPS Well it seems have had some time on my hands with it snowing so here goes, the introduction of AgOpenGPS. Have a peak! Its a bit like watching paint dry, but i think the application has promise - considering its free. AB line...
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