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One thing about the new Hollands that I like is quick access to hop and grab a sample off the tank, just step on front rail, one in the slot that has the no shoe symbol and your up. We got one more day then we will be hitting canola and that’s whene we really start seeing the capacity, and a little more technical on losses
If you think that is good access you would really like what gleaner has.
 
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we’ll she’s been a long week. we got it into canola and started panning all the combines. We couldn’t keep a consistent pan. u would think it finnaly threw u a bone at .5 bpa, then the next pan would be 3.5 without changing settings. We worked on settings for 2 days then decided it wasn’t settings. kmk Sent one of their mechanics to work with my mechanic and operater in figuring it out. 2022‘ s and up they took the fan choke off of them. They pulled all the sieves and built some rubber seals to represent the choke as it’s a huge job to get at the fan. Took it out to the field and bingo that’s the problem. We threw 3 boards and one was .3 and .5 and then at 3.7 it was .75. was really getting frustrated as I luv the combine but couldn’t keep it at those losses. Now I’m happier then heck again and we’ll be firing up to continue on canola tomorow. All 2022 and 23’s I would double check your losses as ours was all over the map. Now that that’s fixed it’s been running really good and no breakdowns. we will get it dialed in and post more info
 
Your rotors may be turning a little too slow? I’ve seen 9870’s develop a repeating surge that causes canola loss waves going down the field and just need faster rotor speeds to straighten the cause out before the loss can be adjusted to optimal.
 
Canola can be a hard crop to get a combine set right in. We found this year each day we had to check and adjust our lexions and adjust them through the day. Some days the straw was crazy tough and the next day was very dry, or you get a shower and everything changes. I remember one day we had a strong wind and the combine would throw almost nothing out one direction and a 1/2 bushel the other direction depending if the wind was blowing up the back end. With the amount of money you can throw out the back of the combine in canola I wondering If you could justify a person staying in the filed monitoring the loss all day. The loss sensors often don't give you a good enough reading what is happening out the back on most combines.
 
We found with our Ideal in canola it was really sensitive to loading of the rotors. Everything we did was in a swath. If you got off to one side of the other just a little bit, it would cause losses. If the swath was a little uneven in how it formed it would cause issues. Had to run by the loss screen to keep things even. Probably not an issues when straight cutting.
 
Discussion starter · #129 ·
Tried everything. New hollands were consistent .5 to 1 bushel and we did 60 pans minumum changing settings. U think u would just be getting headway as u have little sieve loss and all of a sudden your rotor loss was lots. Since we installed the fan choke kinda replica it’s consistent right off the hop and under half losses. They’re all in the ball park of .8 to 1.5. The fan choke was taken out on 2022 and 2023 and is the big problem on those. They said they gained capacity by taking out in large grains, but hey were the small market of small grains that combine builders don’t really build combines around. But definetly that was the problem with these. In total we had 100 boards minumum. Now it’s good. Hopefully agco will be putting that choke back in. They know about the issue now and I’m sure will be requesting it. Also when boarding machine guy should have a little weld on stopper for when the spreaders are open. Had a bad mishap and spreaders went up the tire and into side paneling. ouch
 
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Also we did do a little remodeling of the pan to get more consistent mat on sieves. We were doing kill stalls and could see more build up in middle. A couple hours later the boys had a perfect level mat. Agco should be with us in field and we’ll pick out their flaws and we’re the type if not happy fix it or park it. just a few little tweaks here and there but hey those tweaks make bushels in the tanks. But overall like the combine just couple minor fixable things
 
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Well we did a couple more pans today. Ended up .8 and .9 bpa. We’re not flying but consistent at 3 mph with 45 feet in 65 bpa canola. We were fortunate on rains this year. So i ran the fendt this afternoon for a half dozen hours and still luv the view. So far trouble free this year no breakdown so I really feel they’re long lasting machines. between the 9 and 10 I don’t think Ive been down for more then
We found with our Ideal in canola it was really sensitive to loading of the rotors. Everything we did was in a swath. If you got off to one side of the other just a little bit, it would cause losses. If the swath was a little uneven in how it formed it would cause issues. Had to run by the loss screen to keep things even. Probably not an issues when straight cutting.
yes your right, and whene we were boarding always were finding majority of losses in the middle of board in wich told me it was center Overload. But as soon as u over feed the royors defjnetly more rotor loss then u see in other combines but the drive loss is very low after put the choke in.
 
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my local new Holland guy told me they did a fendt demo by Regina and same thing inconsistency of boards. Throwing 2 to 7 bpa. i hope they quit doing these demoes without doing a fix. Shouldn’t even consider doing a demo without that fan choke. Word travels and I don’t want them to get a bad Name over one part removal. We actually just blocked a little more of the wind and doing consistent .8 pans at 3.2 mph 45 ft in 65 canola.
 
So is the fan speed fixed or variable?
All this Choke talk makes me think it’s fixed and you just open or close a wind deflector plate?
Like the Gleaner
 
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Ya they recommend on the 21’s and down that have them to run open for large grains in the middle for small grains and closed off for grass seed and all the small seeds. Did 2 pans yesterday at 4.5 and we were at .9 bpa in 60 bushel canola so conditions are really dry and I think that’s where this is Best whene straw breaks apart as the rotor loss will come way down.
 
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We had a minor 4 hour breakdown last week. Had to put new slip clutch in and off to the races again. Then the final drive started banging. So kmk with Agco warranty delivered a 9 to use. very great guys and am really curious and excited to see the difference yet as the 9 is a 2019 so it has the fan choke, and we just blocked off air flow To act like the choke. Other than that been running good.
 
What is your best guess spread Fendt 10 to Fendt 9 capacity ratio?
Thinking just wheat and barley so far, we have done no canola together yet.
Well, I guess canola as well but I have no Fieldview data on canola yet with me.
 
We had a minor 4 hour breakdown last week. Had to put new slip clutch in and off to the races again. Then the final drive started banging. So kmk with Agco warranty delivered a 9 to use. very great guys and am really curious and excited to see the difference yet as the 9 is a 2019 so it has the fan choke, and we just blocked off air flow To act like the choke. Other than that been running good.
So the final drive and the slip clutch didn't make 200hrs?? That's not Ideal 😀.
 
Why the @&#* ALL Companies can’t over engineer drivelines, especially finals is hard to grasp

Maybe it’s something simple on TDKG’s Ideal but it’s not the point. Finals should last well beyond the life of the machine it was born on and then the second and third it goes on after the wrecker sells it
 
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