Is New Holland releasing a new combine?
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Yeah I think that I'll let someone else be the guinea pig with this one. Not that I could afford to be anyway lol.
I would have rather they lengthen the rotor and seives, and add that upper shaker that puts everything to the front of the seives on their current design then add more complexity and direction changes. I've seen too many plugs running beside lexions in that front transition area with a already much gentler transition angle to put much faith in turning a green stalk around a right angle like this thing will do
I would have rather they lengthen the rotor and seives, and add that upper shaker that puts everything to the front of the seives on their current design then add more complexity and direction changes. I've seen too many plugs running beside lexions in that front transition area with a already much gentler transition angle to put much faith in turning a green stalk around a right angle like this thing will do
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WHY SHOULD NH COPY CLAAS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE COPYING DEERE
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New Holland has had the design all along, after Versatile.
Versatile developed the TA design with financial help from the Canadian government during the second, or third last Great Recession in the early 80's. It was a great "Natural Flow" design of splitting the flow from the cross mounted cylinder to the 2 longitudinal separating rotors. John Deere tried to buy the design when Versatile stopped production in 1986 but the Cdn Gov't would not let the technology leave Canada to be produced. New Holland bought Versatile and shelved the design, with the exception of a couple of yellow TA's. Maybe till now? Deere went ahead with the CTS design. I think Deere's mistake was not building the CTS on the 9600 model and increasing the power on it. Rotary separation always takes more power compared to walker as we have seen.
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Yes, but the bigger % power consumer is rotary threshing I think TA.
Which is why hybrid makes the most sense, thresh the low power consumption way, separate with more power requirement but vastly more efficient separation.
I've always wondered how much power each component in a combine actually consumes. I'd guess the hydrostat would require quite a bit, perhaps up to 100hp or more with large full hoppers and tracks. Headers can require a ton of horsepower too, especially chopping corn heads. I think Claas talks about being able to send 200hp to the header. On my Case I'm pretty sure the chopper consumes a fair amount of horsepower, at least 50, if not 75 hp depending on conditions. The unloader could consume 50 hp or more. I wonder how much the threshing and separating consumes.
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I ran into one of the local New Holland mechanics the last time I was in town and asked him if he had heard anything about the new combine that was on the new holland ag Instagram. He said that there is something new coming, and that he is glad that he primarily works on tractors.
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Yes I agree on both Don. I think the evidence of the difference in power consumed in twin rotary separation vs walkers has been proved in the Lexion 460 with 290 hp running with a 480 with 365 hp. Not saying they are always equal in capacity but when you figure in fuel consumed to harvest an acre the walkers show pretty well. Otherwise they are pretty similar in lots of ways. The 480 with a modest bump in power and rotary separation makes a huge increase in capacity in small grains and does it on 15ish gallons/hr. I still remember well the day I first saw a prototype TA 2000 with the twin rotors for separation sitting in Rosetown SK. It was a dream come true for getting all the barley out of 5' tall straw! Well almost!
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Once upon a time (2007-...? 😁 ), there were T670i and C670i John Deere combines (C -series replaced CTS)
Both had 400 horsepower and according to JD, the C was halfway on performance between T and S series.
Apart from the slight differences in the construction of the beater itself, the T and C differed in what was behind the overshot beater
T is still in production and C is not
At AGCO, they went further, because with the arrival of Ideal they withdrew from production the MF Delta and its 8 walkers version
Time will tell if the differences in performance between CR, CH and CX in correlation to price will be beneficial for the future of this combine
By the way, if the NH folks are reading, I don't mind if you bring this wonder to me for tests - I won't charge you much 🤣
Both had 400 horsepower and according to JD, the C was halfway on performance between T and S series.
Apart from the slight differences in the construction of the beater itself, the T and C differed in what was behind the overshot beater
T is still in production and C is not
At AGCO, they went further, because with the arrival of Ideal they withdrew from production the MF Delta and its 8 walkers version
Time will tell if the differences in performance between CR, CH and CX in correlation to price will be beneficial for the future of this combineBy the way, if the NH folks are reading, I don't mind if you bring this wonder to me for tests - I won't charge you much 🤣
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The prototype in this photo is probably the new CR!
The new CH 7.70 is a new model based on the Cx6, 374hp engine and is placed above the cx6 and below the cr 7.
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It seems that for every major combine manufacturer except Class, the top notch is a rotary harvester
What @tractor_lover noticed, covered prototype could be a new CR - when everyone introduces new flagships - CNH can't stand out
What @tractor_lover noticed, covered prototype could be a new CR - when everyone introduces new flagships - CNH can't stand out
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It would be hardly big enough for NA market if like in the video they are comparing it to the cx6. Combines
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