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What crop should we seed after 3 years of canola?

3.9K views 16 replies 13 participants last post by  goalieguy847  
#1 · (Edited)
Do green pea yields increase or decrease when seeding into canola stubble that has been plowed (with discs)? Also, are peas profitable in the greater Edmonton area of Alberta, Canada, and would they be more profitable than Wheat? From what I have found online, you can swath it, then pickup with a combine like you would with canola, would the swather header need any adjustments for peas? We don't get a lot of rain, do peas need moisture, or can they survive in dryer conditions? Ultimately, we are just looking for a crop to rotate with canola, not necessarily profitability as the canola will have the most profitability but we can't do canola every year.
 
#3 ·
More concerned about plowing than it being triple canola stubble.

Peas were definitely higher return than anything in this area this year.

If you can avoid swathing straight cutting is much more suitable.

Grading is a much bigger issue with green peas you likely know.
 
#5 ·
When he says plowed I take it to mean worked up. Lightly disced. Or cultivated. We used to spike up all our fields in the fall. But that caused significant volunteer issues in subsequent years so now we just harrow canola stubble to get the volunteers growing. Keep them as shallow as possible.
 
#7 ·
You will have decease in yield if you sees peas after canola. Did a half section of peas last year (one quarter was on canola stubble and one quarter was on wheat stubble). Peas went 60 on the wheat and 40 on the canola stubble. It was massive difference. Canola takes something out the peas needs. Wheat is the best option.
 
#9 ·
Too late now but what about winter wheat ?
Since it is dry in your area I would go with hrs wheat .
If you were fortunate and received decent moisture I would try oats . I think their is more return in oats but than every area and farm is different

Better to get a cereal in your current rotation to improve your soil organic matter .
 
#11 ·
I have thought winter wheat would be a great choice to follow peas but never got the gumption to pull the drill out just to seed one or two quarters.

Peas and canola share some diseases so it's best to put a cereal in between.

It is shocking to do 3 years straight of canola in Edmonton area which is where the clubroot issue originated in Canada.
 
#12 ·
Verticilium is becoming a huge issue in southern Mb. No genetics or fungicide to combat it. Fields with every fourth year canola rotations are also seeing large yield reductions.
I'm surprised it has not become an issue in the tighter rotation regions.
 
#13 ·
I would love to see your yield history(maybe even insurance coverage), costs, and pricing that would give you higher profitability with a last 3 year canola, canola, canola rotation vs something else.

To be clear, I am very much about an economic rotation(have done canola-canola in past 10 years a couple times and canola peas a few times too), but over the past 4 years the mkt has very much supported getting back to a more normal rotation. For me that is canola, bly, peas, wheat. Even with this rotation peas probably are one crop that a bit tight.

FWIW - green peas, unless they the blocky variety(you can get seed and/or contract) will always have a yield drag on this farm - just like canola/canola(let alone canola cubed). I used to swath green peas, but that dog died many years ago.
 
#14 ·
the profitability of canola is overstated in my opinion, or at least for us. hard red wheat and oats beat canola out some years. Based on neighbour's yields, this year peas would have won, had we grown any. I think guys focus on how it grosses the most per acre and needs less bins, but it's also is the most expensive to grow.
 
#15 ·
Depending on your soil, and where it’s at with nutrients, you would probably be surprised with what wheat will do. If you fertilize, and fungicide properly these newer varieties will amaze you. Edmonton area is mostly excellent land too so pulling off yields from 60 to 90 are probably “normal” there? Wheat handles stress very well too. With the cost of growing canola I’m starting to like wheat better tbh.
 
#16 ·
Also, are peas profitable in the greater Edmonton area of Alberta, Canada, and would they be more profitable than Wheat?
Everyone's farm is different. Who can say what is more profitable for you? What does your spreadsheet tell you? We don't plant any new crop until we've pencil farmed it first, using conservative numbers. Also you never stated what your canola yields were, so it's hard to draw a comparison.
 
#17 ·
Those canola yields are

Clubroot/ clubroot/ sclerotinia/ blackleg.

As someone who grows not too far from you clowns. Try a different crop. No wonder clubroot originated in and around Edmonton.
Yeesh.

There are hieroglyphs on cave walls that show different crops being grown.
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Get a clue and try one.
3 yrs of canola.
Incredible. Absolutely incredible.
Some of the best lands in the province and its just getting pillaged.