[shmiffy]

Been a long time since I looked inside a CR, but don't the CRs have a grain pan that's peaked up in the middle and sloped towards the outsides of the combine to help even out the mat as it's shaking back towards the sieves?

I took that hump part out. It’s sitting in the corner of my shop. Chaff loads Looks pretty even by the time it gets to the end of the pan without it.

 

[Dug]

wow that’s I wet dream I have never had, and Iam running wide body chassis sieves

Ooof, with that wet dream issue, you got MSB…
….apologies if that post looked like I was a fan boy, maybe I should have said ‘they got plenty of capacity in the sieves but you just can’t use it consistently’ ….
It was one of the reasons a few years ago we went to the dark side and then found out it’s not so bad over there….

 

[phantom970]

I have a warped twisted mind Dug
You won’t offend me, unless you tell me how great the Lexion is then I will get huffy 😬😬

it just ****s me how hard it is to get consistent even loading with these flagship things

I think the old 2388 bed augers got it right

 

[Farmall 64]

Good morning ,
Hoping not to be off topic, here is a link of a CR with an Axial Flow body.

Nieuwe beelden van prototype New Holland-maaidorser - Trekker

Er circuleren al langer beelden rond op het internet van een prototype maaidorser van New Holland. Nu komen er nieuwe beelden binnen: Andy Kerckaert spotte de machine in België.

trekkeronline.nl

 

[Dug]

Will be interesting to see what they’ve got inside there….. always imagined simply taking the good features from both the CR’s and flagships and putting into one machine would be a great start.
Then maybe putting a concave under a modified rock beater…. That wouldn’t take much and be worthwhile I believe.

 

[rod]

There is also a major flaw in the display of the flagship in that one bar one the graph is 100kg/ha on the rotor loss and 10kg/ha on the sieves.
When drivers see the sieves at three bars and the rotor at one they believe they have high sieve loss, when most of the loss is in fact rotor.
Get the rotor (speed , clearance and separation) correct and everything behind it falls into place

I’m not so sure about the 100kg/bar claim. Adjusting the sensitivity would surely change that.

True.…… previously, sieve loss was mostly rotor loss - because of the straw hood geometry with “whale tail” spreader setup.
I run a factory fit Gen11 MAV on my 8250, so whatever I see as rotor or sieve loss is exactly that.

In about YM20 or 21, the rotor loss sensors were moved from the frame wall to fitted just off #4 modules. And their sensitivity was greatly increased - about double! I originally thought this doubling of sensitivity was bullish.t ……. It’s not. NH machines are the same.

 

[rod]

Will be interesting to see what they’ve got inside there….. always imagined simply taking the good features from both the CR’s and flagships and putting into one machine would be a great start.
Then maybe putting a concave under a modified rock beater…. That wouldn’t take much and be worthwhile I believe.

CVT driven rotors is a benefit. DFR synced to rotor speed is another. Concave setup similar to flagship Case is another. Massive air cooling package. 20,000 lt grain tank.
Negative - on the one that was around here ……. non adjustable width on 4WD axle!

I‘ll be surprised if this machine - dressed in yellow or red - does not chew the antlers off a deere!

 

[EBEAR]

Chew the antlers off maybe but will it put the nuts in the tank ?

 

[rod]

Chew the antlers off maybe but will it put the nuts in the tank ?

…… pretty sure it’ll put someone’s nuts in a tank!

Don‘t think they’ll be friendly with the ….. “all included take home price”

 

[KWO]

I’m not so sure about the 100kg/bar claim. Adjusting the sensitivity would surely change that.

Correct, this is a on default settings, if you lower the sieve sensitivity to 28 and raise the rotor sensitivity to 58, IIRC, you will see the rotor loss first and adjust things to suit.
These figures have come from my guru, based on real world / drop pan findings. Prior to '250 series.

As you clearly know, don't chase sieve loss until you get the threshing sorted.

 

[Combine Chaser]

Everyone has probably seen these by now. Looks like a dealer release show in Europe just recently. So the “Bi-axial”might be running sooner than we thought …….or mostly likely, sooner than we all guessed!
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Help me understand this please!

The 260 series picture on here has a 500 horsepower off to the side of the 260 series at top of picture, and on the little horsepower range it has 500 horsepower as the low side and 635 horsepower as the top side. My question is?
1. Is there one model in the 260 series that start at 500 and tops out at 635? Or..

2. Is there a couple of models that start at 500 and the top model ends at 635. Which would mean the additional model would start probably around 560 horsepower, which if this is true, then they are not showing this???

3. Theory 3, is there going to be 2 models, one that starts at 500, and who knows where it is going to max out, and one that starts at 635 and will max out around 700?

So many questions about this?

Also on the next generation, is the 700 horsepower just a starting horsepower, and it is going to max out around in the high 700's??? If this is the case then it will be in the same category as the big Claas 8900, and Ideal 10, as both of them are 790??

Thank you, just trying to get a better idea. I appreciate you posting this picture.

 

[rod]

Don’t know …… for all of them. From memory, 8250 max HP is 550 or thereabouts. 9250 max HP is 630 or thereabouts. Maybe they’ve increased HP on the 60 series range …… but I’ve really no idea.
From my understanding, the Bi-axial model(s) will go from just over 700 HP to 900 HP or thereabouts. I’ve heard a claim of 1,000 HP for the biggest …… but I expect that to be in someones imagination.
I guess we’ll all find out the real details in the near future.

 

[Combine Chaser]

Don’t know …… for all of them. From memory, 8250 max HP is 550 or thereabouts. 9250 max HP is 630 or thereabouts. Maybe they’ve increased HP on the 60 series range …… but I’ve really no idea.
From my understanding, the Bi-axial model(s) will go from just over 700 HP to 900 HP or thereabouts. I’ve heard a claim of 1,000 HP for the biggest …… but I expect that to be in someones imagination.
I guess we’ll all find out the real details in the near future.

I guess we'll see, certainly going to be interesting! sounds like Case IH has a beast in the works! Exciting times for a combine loving man! Lololol. I caught wind from another web source today that John Deere may be working on a bigger X9 as well. Not sure if any physically bigger, but I assume performance wise, because I've heard a 1300, and a 1400.

 

[rod]

I guess we'll see, certainly going to be interesting! sounds like Case IH has a beast in the works! Exciting times for a combine loving man! Lololol. I caught wind from another web source today that John Deere may be working on a bigger X9 as well. Not sure if any physically bigger, but I assume performance wise, because I've heard a 1300, and a 1400.

Bigger, bigger, bigger, more HP …… 🤷🏻‍♂️ ……. Plenty of my farming friends & especially professional contract harvesters (cutters) are all questioning this race for “bigger & more HP”.
Why?
Have we honestly reached the limit in capacity & field efficiency of the current class 8, 9 & 10 machines?
I‘d say not. Well, I know not. Because there’s always improvements in the machine capacity to be obtained. Be it from different concaves, rotor bars & or wider cutting widths, coupled with better feeding drapers.
Once youve exhausted that avenue, what about maximising in field & off field grain handling capacity & efficiency?
What about running the machine(s) longer hours per day? If you’re running the machine 12hrs per day ……. adding another 20% to that is only 14.5hrs per day. 15hrs + 20% is 18hrs per day etc. etc. Run 2 shifts on the machine ……. 20% more grain per day is nothing to be sneezed at …… from the same machine!
These new Mega machines don’t come with a friendly price tag either. $1.3m - $1.7m I expect would be the range. Possibly even more.
Many people are already bucking at the asking price for the current 8, 9, 10 sized machines. Professional harvesters can’t get a return on investment now. Where’s the incentive to invest in bigger, much more expensive depreciating steel?
So, interesting times ahead.

 

[torriem]

For some guys, finding people qualified to run the combines is very difficult. So for them the bin twin rotors might be appealing. If you can get decent guys or gals to run the combines, the cost of labor isn't high enough to warrant the move otherwise.

 

[Combine Chaser]

For some guys, finding people qualified to run the combines is very difficult. So for them the bin twin rotors might be appealing. If you can get decent guys or gals to run the combines, the cost of labor isn't high enough to warrant the move otherwise.

Your right, the bigger machines are definitely appealing to the folks looking to cut number of machines due to not being able to get the adequate number of qualified employee's. Finding the needed employee's is a big concern these days and the bigger machines can help with fulfilling the needed productivity with less crew.

 

[shmiffy]

Bigger, bigger, bigger, more HP …… 🤷🏻‍♂️ ……. Plenty of my farming friends & especially professional contract harvesters (cutters) are all questioning this race for “bigger & more HP”.
Why?
Have we honestly reached the limit in capacity & field efficiency of the current class 8, 9 & 10 machines?
I‘d say not. Well, I know not. Because there’s always improvements in the machine capacity to be obtained. Be it from different concaves, rotor bars & or wider cutting widths, coupled with better feeding drapers.
Once youve exhausted that avenue, what about maximising in field & off field grain handling capacity & efficiency?
What about running the machine(s) longer hours per day? If you’re running the machine 12hrs per day ……. adding another 20% to that is only 14.5hrs per day. 15hrs + 20% is 18hrs per day etc. etc. Run 2 shifts on the machine ……. 20% more grain per day is nothing to be sneezed at …… from the same machine!
These new Mega machines don’t come with a friendly price tag either. $1.3m - $1.7m I expect would be the range. Possibly even more.
Many people are already bucking at the asking price for the current 8, 9, 10 sized machines. Professional harvesters can’t get a return on investment now. Where’s the incentive to invest in bigger, much more expensive depreciating steel?
So, interesting times ahead.

No return on investment is the end.

 

[jezcolborne71]

Any more pictures of the case IH dealership show in europe.? Is there a new cab for the new next gen case IH dual axial flow combine. Looks as though case will be making a giant like new Holland with the 11.90

 

[Combine Chaser]

Any more pictures of the case IH dealership show in europe.? Is there a new cab for the new next gen case IH dual axial flow combine. Looks as though case will be making a giant like new Holland with the 11.90

I can't wait to learn more. Seen on that picture of the next generation that the horsepower on the low side said 700, can't wait to see what the top horsepower will be??? I think they definitely have a beast in the works. I've also caught talk of John Deere working on higher horsepower X9's. Claas and Fendt already have machines that are rated at 790, so it makes sense for Case IH, New Holland, and John Deere to approach that type of rating, or perhaps surpass it. Exciting times for a combine loving man! Lololol

 

[jezcolborne71]

That would be awesome if John Deere had an X9 1200. It would be ace and the cutter bar went from 50 to 60 foot and it had a huge grain tank with a v12 engine. Wonder if claas would go bigger still with a new lexion 9900